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Posted by: AlexBlackwell Aug 24 2007, 09:24 PM

The T35 flyby mission description is now http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/news/events/t35-rhea/index.cfm.

Posted by: ngunn Aug 31 2007, 11:22 AM

And very exciting science promised - high res of Huygens landing area (at last) and regional 3D from ISS for example. Also VIMS over the northern 'lake district'. Iapetus will not steal the whole show over the next few weeks.

Posted by: ugordan Sep 1 2007, 11:17 PM

Raws are in... and are near useless to any enthusiasts out there. At least the images showing the surface itself and not haze observations.
I wonder if the new raw page behavior is a bug or a "feature"?

Posted by: Bjorn Jonsson Sep 2 2007, 12:23 AM

This beaviour started IIRC about 3 months ago and could easily be a "feature". It would be interesting to see what happened if someone complained.

In some cases this is perfectly OK (or (rarely) better than a contrast stretch) but in other cases not. For example the Iapetus Saturnshine shots will probably be completely ruined unless this gets fixed.

Posted by: ugordan Sep 2 2007, 12:29 AM

Yes, I actually prefer this algorithm in almost all cases, except low phase, low contrast targets such as this. This appears to be a partial stretch, only the maximum brightness is scaled, not the minimum. It would be better if they then set the maximum scaling to something more bright than this neutral gray. I think this behavior started around T33 and coincided with the loss of some raws due to other reasons.

Posted by: ugordan Sep 2 2007, 11:24 AM

This I call Into The Haze, a dodgy enhancement and animation of 24 wide angle frames (ranging from 39.6 to 24.7 thousand km, about 45 minutes timespan) that show northern haze layers on approach. Camera tracking gives an impression Cassini's headed straight into the haze. Shown at 2/3 original size:
http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?172fs760639.gif
There's a hint of the north pole collar disappearing to the left of the frame at the start of the sequence. The time interval is almost continuous - 4 pointing targettings with 6 frames each, obviously the slews took up some time so there are slight discontinuities there.

Posted by: scalbers Sep 2 2007, 06:13 PM

Nice haze layer animation. Regarding the raw images page I sent an email via the "Contact Us" link with my $.02 worth of suggestions...

Posted by: nprev Sep 2 2007, 06:24 PM

...words fail me. Uh...wow!

Posted by: ngunn Sep 3 2007, 10:46 AM

Ugordan I like your movie! You seem to know why the latest surface raws have less contrast than on past flybys. Can you explain to us non image-tech people? I was looking forward to hunting for the Huygens landing site but the fog is giving me a headache.

Posted by: ugordan Sep 3 2007, 10:58 AM

Ngunn, the Titan surface raws (as well as low phase icy moon views that don't show black space in the frame) don't have less contrast per se, this is more or less the amount of contrast the camera actually sees. What was the case with previous raws, before being submitted on the net as jpegs, is they were histogram stretched - the lowest brightness was more or less made black and the highest brightness white, thus increasing contrast.
What appears to be the case now is that the lowest brightness is left untouched and the highest brightness is set not to white, but to neutral gray (digital number value of 127 as opposed to 255 for white). They could have at least set it to white so jpegs would suffer fewer artifacts (the algorithm is dependant on contrast)

Posted by: ngunn Sep 3 2007, 11:09 AM

Thanks. Everything is clear to me now - except Titan's surface features! I presume you and the other experts here can do the histogram stretch business as a matter of routine. Can anyone find that hi-res of Curien Station and make it intelligible?

Posted by: ugordan Sep 3 2007, 11:22 AM

Unfortunately, this is the point where JPEG makes things messy. It's a perceptual algorithm and it works by discarding less important (to the eye) detail, and low contrast areas fall into that category. A high contrast image will have better preserved spatial features (less blocky artifacts) than a low contrast one, for a preset quality encoder - which the raw page obviously uses. If the raw page was filesize controlled instead of "quality" controlled, it would probably be easier to pull out detail out of low contrast images. As it is, low contrast jpegs right now are very small files (sometimes around only 20 kilobytes) and that's beacuse detail was totally destroyed.

The other, lesser issue with non-histogram-stretched JPEGs is the lower dynamic range when you encode 12bit data into 8bit grayscales.

Posted by: mchan Sep 4 2007, 08:14 AM

Liked that animation. Sort of reminds me of "the energy barrier at the edge of the galaxy" in the original series Star Trek.

Posted by: Juramike Sep 4 2007, 01:53 PM

Nice animation!

-Mike

Posted by: ugordan Sep 4 2007, 02:07 PM

Thanks, everyone. I thought about making another animation rescaled to the same pixel scale, something similar to http://ciclops.org/view.php?id=991, but the relatively short time interval, high noise and jpeg artifacts made it unlikely any change (apart from slight parallax) would be apparent. Once this stuff hits PDS it might be more worthwhile to try this again.

Posted by: ngunn Sep 11 2007, 10:54 AM

For those wondering why the T35 surface raws were so disappointing I have some email correspondence to share. (Ugordan there's more since we exchanged messages)

LOOK OUT FOR THE IMPROVED VERSIONS:

""
Excellent news and thanks for keeping me informed.

>>> <saturnwebmaster at ...> 10/09/2007 22:18 >>>
Hi Nigel,

good news, the issue will be fixed soon.

We found an error in the contrast enhancement part of the script which
makes the versions for the public website. It was introduced in June
(ironically during an effort to make it better). The correction has
been validated and put into place. All new data will be correct. We
will replace the S33 images (since 8/11).

Thank you for your interest in the Cassini mission,
Enrico



Quoting n.gunn@, on Mon 03 Sep 2007 03:38:09 AM PDT:

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> Name: Nigel Gunn
> Affiliation: Teacher
> Email: n.gunn@
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> Subject: Comment
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> Comments:
> I notice that the latest batch of Titan surface raw images have
> dissapointingly low contrast compared with previous flybys. What has
> changed?

I removed your email address from the above, for obvious reasons. - James
And to protect JPL against spam I removed the saturnwebmaster address near the top - Bjorn

Posted by: ngunn Sep 13 2007, 01:14 PM

Does this look familiar?
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/raw/raw-images-details.cfm?feiImageID=125637

Posted by: ngunn Sep 14 2007, 08:56 AM

There was I, wandering round my favourite spot on Titan, the Huygens landing site, when I heard a voice coming from the subterranean goo: "Looking for your friends?" it said, "They're all on Iapetus this week".

Posted by: ugordan Sep 14 2007, 09:01 AM

LOL

Give Iapetus a break, this is its 15 minutes of glory. It'll die down, just like Iapetus itself did a looong time ago.

Posted by: ngunn Sep 17 2007, 12:43 PM

Peering long and hard at the hi res raws of Eastern Adiri I'm beginning to imagine I can see a cat scratch or two. Does anyone know if any processed image of the area round Huygens is likely to be released soon? I am hopeful that that would reveal an easily recognisable visual match with the Huygens mosaic, possibly including cat scratches. This would surely be newsworthy, no?

Posted by: volcanopele Sep 17 2007, 05:48 PM

ummm, yeah... It was all Iapetus last week for me. I promise to get back to Titan later today and tomorrow...

The reason I haven't gotten back to the Huygens landing site imagery is that we already have plenty of stuff from Ta and Tb, though I will give this stuff another shot.

As far as "cat scratches" go, it's not impossible for us to see them. We found dunes in the T33 imagery. It appears that it requires low phase angles, high resolution (but not too high, summed images with resolutions around ~0.5 km/pixel), and sufficient contrast between the background terrain and the dune material.

Posted by: ngunn Sep 18 2007, 09:19 AM

Great. I look forward to seeing the results. I can understand that locating Huygens is essentially finished business from a science point of view. Maybe it's the teacher in me but I'm still hoping for a lander/orbiter visual correlation that people can see for themselves, rather than having to be told 'The experts have determined that it actually fits here on this very different-looking RADAR image.'