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Sdetton
Posted on: Nov 9 2005, 04:42 AM


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ESA: Lichen survives in space (temporarily)

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... During the Foton-M2 mission, which was launched into low-Earth orbit on 31 May 2005, the lichens, which came from two different species (Rhizocarpon geographicum and Xanthoria elegans) were exposed for a total 14.6 days before being returned to Earth. At the conclusion of the mission the lid of Biopan was closed to protect the lichens from the conditions of reentry.

...lichens have the capacity to resist full exposure to the harsh space conditions, especially high levels of UV radiation. Analysis post flight showed a full rate of survival and an unchanged ability for photosynthesis.


This is pretty interesting. I wonder if the lichen communities would survive in deep space though and for how long. What would happen if this got transported (safely) to the martian surface?
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Posted on: Jul 21 2005, 01:38 AM


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A new launch is scheduled for Tuesday July 26th.
http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/main/in...tml?skipIntro=1

Let's hope all goes well this time. smile.gif
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Posted on: Jul 20 2005, 04:55 AM


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QUOTE (Edward Schmitz @ Jul 19 2005, 10:53 PM)
How 'bout time?  Seven months vs. seven million years.

How 'bout shielding?  Parts of the rover are shielded against radiation.  How 'bout thermal protection?  The WEB is insolated against thermal extremes.  How 'bout matterial?  vastly different composition.  How 'bout food supply?  Cork!  How 'bout not being blast through the atmosphere by a multi-tera-ton blast? 

That's what I came up with in about 2.5 minutes.  I'll bet that there are even better differences that I don't even know about.

What's so different?  Lots of stuff, that's what.

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Ok, let's examine some of your points.

Time: Can vary. It doesn't always take ejecta millions of years to get there. It can happen within thousands or less depending on the circumstances. Also see the comment about food.

Shielding: The rock can have dense metals or other materials on the surface. Also depends on how deep the microbe is inside. There may also be pockets within to protect against the vaccuum.

Thermal protection: Once again, depends on the makeup of the rock, the amount of time to impact, and other factors. Could make the temps within warmer by maybe a few degrees - not perfect but helps survival.

Food supply: Certain organisms can form a very durable spore (like anthrax for example) when the nutrients aren't at hand. They can even revive after hundreds of thousands of years in such a state ( BBC link )

The only thing the rover seems to have going for it is impact survival - the slow and safe landing of the rover does make it a better mode of transport over the ejecta. But besides that, nothing much.

Anything else?
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Posted on: Jul 19 2005, 10:46 PM


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QUOTE (Edward Schmitz @ Jul 18 2005, 08:15 PM)
Where are you getting these "facts"?  "Thousands of years"?  How do you know that sterilization is superfluous?  Maybe the only earth microb that will survive on mars can't make the long journey on a rock, but the rovers are an exceptable transport. 

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What's so different about the rovers that make them better at transporting microbes than pieces of ejecta? The organisms might not survive if they were on the surface of the rock, but they have far better chances if they are inside the rock or maybe in frozen water/hydrocarbons. And the "facts" are actually assumptions based on evidence of how life on earth adapts and evolves. Call it more of an educated guess wink.gif .

And bravo to dvandorn for some excellent points.
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QUOTE (djellison @ Jul 18 2005, 04:17 PM)
"(as far as we know) lifeless world such as Mars."

Thats the point - we dont know that it's lifeless and indeed there's plenty of evidence that it may indeed have life now, or have had it in the past.

If it does have life - life totally different and unique to ours - contamination with life from our OWN planet may kill it off

And that would be a crime beyond all description imho

Doug


That's assuming that earth life will be so prolific as to spread all over the planet. This is quite unlikely even for thousands of years after contamination has occured. If they even survive, the microorganisms would take very long to adapt and spread from one nutrient rich niche to another. And of course theres fact that contamination already occured naturally as stated in the thread by others, which makes the sterilization attempts superfluous (in my opinion at least).
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Forgive me if this sounds simple minded, but what is so terrible about bacterial or viral particle contamination on Mars? I never understood how life could be considered as "pollution" on a (as far as we know) lifeless world such as Mars. Isn't one of our main goals to seed and spread life throughout the solar system? As one member mentioned, if we are ever to colonize or terraform any other planet or satellite, then we will obviously introduce other forms of life such as simple microorganisms, certain plants (for food), and possibly insects.

Of course there might be a few negative aspects from this contamination (possible new pathogens, hindrance to our search for native life, etc), but in my view the benefits far outweigh the downsides.
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