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MarkG
Posted on: Feb 16 2019, 07:32 AM


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What a ride it has been! My thanks to all who made it possible. (JPL, take a bow...)

I remember the feeling of amazement when Opportunity returned the first photos after landing (still on the lander platform), there were LAYERED SEDIMENTS in the wall of the little crater! Blueberries!

...and then on to so many more things. For MANY years!

I now viscerally feel the magnificent desolation of Mars -- I have, in a sense, lived on another planet.

And my thanks to this forum, which greatly enhanced the enjoyment and experience. I even got a speculation or two right (remember the olivine meteorite?).

Such a journey...
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MarkG
Posted on: Jan 1 2019, 10:18 PM


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[quote ...It is orbiting a mere 1 mile (1.75km) from the centre of the asteroid !
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I believe the orbital period is 62 hours, which makes the orbital velocity about 3 meters/minute, 50mm/sec. (10ʻ/min, 2"sec).

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Posted on: Jan 1 2019, 09:06 PM


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Just about out of time for wild speculation, so Iʻll give it a last minute whirl....

Methinks that a close binary orbit would be short-lived (on the age-of-solar-system scale) because of small dissipative forces in the "neck" area. Debris could gather there and bounce around.

I am sure there would be cratering events in the history of MU69, but ice condensation/evaporation features cold also be present, plus solar wind and cosmic ray "processing". What the result of this looks like is truly anybodyʻs guess -- the best answer is "we donʻt know, but we will find out soon"....
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Posted on: Oct 23 2018, 04:30 PM


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Nice!
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Posted on: Sep 30 2018, 12:52 AM


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Just for curiousity (the mental attitude, NOT the robotic craft), what help could the currently-orbiting assets be to this effort? They all have there regular jobs to do, and limited capabilities, and limited time in view of Opportunity, but their one-over-R-squared advantage is significant over earthbound resources......
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Posted on: Nov 15 2017, 06:49 PM


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Are the sediments Curiosity is among still nearly level on the average, or are they dipping towards the rim?
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Posted on: Jun 3 2017, 03:24 PM


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Are those grey rock layers some sort of ash? Or more mudstone? There seems to be an uncomformity with the lower layer.
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Posted on: Aug 28 2016, 11:49 PM


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In reading this, please keep in mind the profound ancient-ness of these landforms.
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Posted on: Apr 15 2016, 07:14 PM


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50-ish meter landform pattern? There is an alighment of landforms stretching west-to-east in the rover's current location, almost like giant ripples. It is readily evident in the sattellite pictures. Has there been any scientific chatter about this? Any reflection in the stratigraphy seen thus far?
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Posted on: Oct 8 2015, 07:50 PM


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QUOTE (Nafnlaus @ Oct 7 2015, 03:47 PM) *
In the past I've run into papers describing N2 eutectics with methane, carbon monoxide, and neon - the former two whose spectrums have been seen with the nitrogen in Sputnik (AFAIK neon hasn't been detected on Pluto). Neon significantly lowers the triple point temperature (as its triple point is lower), while one of the former two (I forget which one) allows one to have liquids at a mildly colder than pure N2 when a small amount is mixed in (although the triple point is still rather warm by Pluto standards). I'm sure if you google you'll find the papers yourself.

Really, though, it wouldn't take too much internal heat at all to boost the temperature 10-20 degrees; you've got an insulating ice cap, and radiative heat loss is proportional to T^4, so it drops to extremely low rates at cryogenic temperatures. If the heat is there then there should be liquids dozens of meters under the surface at Sputnik - you have your heat, you have your pressure... it's what should happen. But whether said heat is actually there and whether there actually are liquids, I'm not going to speculate. smile.gif


Seasonal mass re-distributions from sublimation/condensation would generate small perturbations that might efficiently couple to internal heating due to the large tidal locking regime (non-intuitive relaxation forces). And the presence of a subsurface phase-change layer being perturbed could generate some tectonics.

Also, if N2 ice is really that weak, multi-year frost accumulations could "flow" down and erode terrain (ice rocks) in such a way as to give fluvial-like patterns, especially as seen from the photo altitudes.

The bottom of my jaw is still getting rug burns....
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Posted on: Oct 7 2015, 02:51 PM


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Well, I guess calling it a "mare" is not so farfetched after all....

So, chemically, is there anything we are likely to see that that dissolves in liquid nitrogen? Is there a substance that could affect the phase diagram, or the density? Would we possibly be looking at the Plutonian analog of "salinity flows"?
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Posted on: Sep 5 2015, 08:46 AM


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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Sep 4 2015, 12:01 PM) *
No, not a good idea. 'Mare' means sea. It is used on the Moon for purely historical reasons*, and on Titan where there are real seas. Regio just means region, it's a more general name but far more appropriate.

Phil

* Leonardo da Vinci thought the bright areas were seas, bright because each wave reflected a flash of sunlight. Galileo took issue with this, after seeing the surface through a telescope. He said, if any parts of the Moon are seas they would have to be the dark areas, because the bright areas are mountainous. He didn't say they WERE seas, but the name took hold after that.


We may be looking at a sea covered by a layer of ice, or convection cells of a plastic flow icy (Nitrogen? Carbon Monoxide?) layer (or both). There seem to be erosive features around the edges, and it sits lower than surrounding terrain. Time will tell if it becomes determined that it is liquid or just some sort of plastic flow, but calling it a "mare" may not be so far fetched.
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Posted on: Sep 4 2015, 07:41 PM


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Maybe rename "Tombaugh Regio" to "Mare Tombaugh"? Just sayin.....
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Posted on: Jul 16 2015, 06:04 PM


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QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Jul 16 2015, 09:54 AM) *
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Now that is just weird. I don't recall ever seeing a mountain coming up out of the center of a canyon, rift, chasm, or whatever.


An exaggerated case of isostatic adjustment, like the depression of the seafloor around the Hawaiian Islands? What pushed up the mountain went away, or we have volcanism. Definitely weird.
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QUOTE (Y Bar Ranch @ Jul 16 2015, 06:40 AM) *
That source of energy would be traced back to energy introduced by solar insolation, but rather than directly heating the surface it would be a kind of second order effect to the system. Still, any heat generated through that effect would have to be equal or less than just pure insolation?

Internal mass re-distributions, like a mantle convection, would also lead to mutual tidal force transfer. One can speculate that if there was a large phase-change region internally, some sort of positive-feedback resonance could occur. and amplify the "churn". The point is, the mutual tidal lock generates interesting reactions to perturbations.

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Posted on: Jul 16 2015, 02:10 PM


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It is worth pointing out that with Pluto and Charon strongly tidally locked, any perturbation to one of them will quickly transfer some forces to the other. in a somewhat non-intuitive fashion. Even a seasonal sublimation/deposition mass transfer on Pluto would create a mass shift that would generate forces on Charon, which would cause different forces back on Pluto.
This could be modeled and tested....
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Posted on: Jul 15 2015, 08:33 PM


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Actually, the ice mountains remind me of parts of the surface of Io, tilted up and raised blocks rising above smooth surfaces. What pushed them up and smoothly filled the spaces between?

And a long fault running perpendicular to the ropey trend of the mountains!?

The dark pole of Charon does seem to be a thin veneer, with significant other tectonics going on underneath it. Is the darker right side of the Charon pole higher or lower than the left?

Nobody really expected the Pluto system to be this dynamic. Multiple types of terrain with different compositions and activity.

I am confident in predicting even more wild surprises as more data comes in.
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Ouch, the bottom of my jaw has rug burns.
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Posted on: Jul 15 2015, 04:51 PM


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Everyone here has rug burn from repeated jaw drops. The pictures I've seen are amazing. You guys are in for a treat. #PlutoFlyby
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I am scanning the net for rug burn treatment ideas in anticipation....

Consider me among the list of those "thoroughly teased"....
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Posted on: Jul 14 2015, 11:15 PM


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Pluto sure looks like a place where aeolian "ice" transport has been taking place, most likely with multiple ice chemistries. One thinks of the South pole of Mars, where water ice is overlain with carbon dioxide ice.
The west half of the "heart" resembles a giant impact basin that has accumulated one type of ice, with another type alternately condensing and subliming. The east "heart" and area to the south seem to have aoelian-flow-like bright areas (deposits?). related to the western "heart".
As far as tectonics goes, there is a tiny solar tide, but there might be some induced forces as the moons adjust to the (very slow) precession of Pluto's axis. (Anyone have the precession period handy?) This also affects which hemisphere has summer during perihelion, and how long that takes to switch.
Pluto is real, and wierd to boot!
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Posted on: Jun 15 2015, 05:44 PM


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Again, it helps to consider the profound ancient-ness of the surface we are seeing.
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Posted on: Feb 25 2015, 06:22 PM


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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Feb 25 2015, 09:41 AM) *
It's a bit surprising to me how shallow the big crater/basin seems to be. Also it now seems very unlikely that Ceres has anything resembling Tethys' Ithaca Chasma (there were some speculations on that here earlier on). It probably was simply an albedo feature plus shadows within crates in the earlier, lower resolution images.

The bright spots are interesting. To me they simply look like fresh ice that has been exposed by impacts but apparently they might be something else.


For the bright spots, impact melt is a possibility. Sublimation weathering takes its toll, but those features are young.
For the mare-like big crater, There seems to be some lumpiness in its floor, so whatever filled it (volcanism, plastic relaxation, etc.) has been tweaked (global shrinkage?). As far as the age of that feature, it could easily be LHB, but the detailed crater counts will help date it. Gravity measurements from orbit will also help. The impact evidently occurred early enough that the interior of Ceres could cause it to relax somehow, plastic, liquid or volcanically.
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Posted on: Feb 17 2015, 09:37 PM


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Starting to look like a rocky mini-Callisto.
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So, in this area of the rim and into Marathon Valley, are we looking at uptilted rock layers, overturned rock layers (more fragmented), or piled gobs of chunks oriented every which way?

(From the standpoint of the Endeavor impact. That impactor slammed into terrain that was a mix already, but given that.... what part of the crater rim structure are we amidst?)
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Spectacular pictures! Wild cheering from the bleachers...!
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