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marsbug
Posted on: Sep 18 2022, 11:47 PM


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If this has been mentioned elsewhere; My apologies. According to this article from Space.com there's been an update on Yutu-2's mission: https://www.space.com/china-yutu-2-rover-st...e-moon-far-side
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Posted on: Aug 6 2022, 05:01 PM


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Thank you Phil, that's my bedtime reading sorted, much appreciated!
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Posted on: Mar 26 2022, 12:50 AM


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QUOTE (Ant103 @ Mar 25 2022, 05:57 PM) *
Sol 386 Navcam panoramic. A special one because THEY TOOK THE SKY, again...


Stunning, thank you for sharing!
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Posted on: Mar 17 2022, 09:08 AM


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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Feb 5 2022, 12:28 AM) *
Abstracts are out! Lots of goodies. I will try to highlight a few later.

Phil

https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2022/...022_program.htm

Thanks for sharing, that's my bed time reading for a few days sorted!
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Posted on: Dec 5 2021, 10:29 PM


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Thanks for keeping the updates going Phil, it's much appreciated!
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Posted on: Feb 20 2021, 12:16 PM


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Thanks for clarifying for me smile.gif
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Posted on: Feb 19 2021, 11:46 PM


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I ran across this article, regarding an out-of-place looking rock that's speculated to have been the result of spallation from an impact - it looks tome like it and several of the surrounding rocks are of a type? I wondered if it had been brought up here: https://www.space.com/china-yutu-2-moon-far...stone-discovery
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Posted on: Dec 13 2020, 05:41 PM


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I've seen the video of the lift-off from the descent stage, and the video from the ascender of the docking. Does that mean the glitch occurred in between, or was the descent stage using its own channel?
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Posted on: Oct 27 2020, 03:59 PM


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I think it's fair to say that is possible, but we don't know it's true at this (what is in fact still quite early) stage in the investigation. I'd be surprised if there weren't regions of hogher concentration, as distributions of things in nature tend to be patchy, at least on some scale. But at this point all we can say is that this is probably enough data to justify in-situ follow up investigations - which are already planned. Judgement either way on practical fuel production is still premature at this point (my opinion only).

As a Moon hugger it is fascinating though. The more we explore the more interesting our nearest neighbour becomes (as is always the case with exploration).

Edit: I litre per 10 tons means processing a cube of regolith 2 meters-ish (regolith bulk density is around 1500kg /m^3 IIRC) on a side for 1 liter of water. If the water bearing regolith is easy to scoop up and process, then I might imagine a highly/fully automated 'slow accumulator' type process producing small amounts for niche applications (such as refuelling GEO satellites at intervals of years or more) But that's not just speculative, right now it's damn near sci-fi, which is the point I'm making.
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Posted on: Oct 26 2020, 04:23 PM


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The SOFIA related paper from the announcement:

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Molecular water detected on the sunlit Moon by SOFIA

Widespread hydration was detected on the lunar surface through observations of a characteristic absorption feature at 3 µm by three independent spacecraft1,2,3. Whether the hydration is molecular water (H2O) or other hydroxyl (OH) compounds is unknown and there are no established methods to distinguish the two using the 3 µm band4. However, a fundamental vibration of molecular water produces a spectral signature at 6 µm that is not shared by other hydroxyl compounds5. Here, we present observations of the Moon at 6 µm using the NASA/DLR Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy (SOFIA). Observations reveal a 6 µm emission feature at high lunar latitudes due to the presence of molecular water on the lunar surface. On the basis of the strength of the 6 µm band, we estimate abundances of about 100 to 400 µg g−1 H2O. We find that the distribution of water over the small latitude range is a result of local geology and is probably not a global phenomenon. Lastly, we suggest that a majority of the water we detect must be stored within glasses or in voids between grains sheltered from the harsh lunar environment, allowing the water to remain on the lunar surface.
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Posted on: Oct 24 2020, 09:18 PM


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It's a nice problem to have in a way... but it's still a problem . Still it sounds like the team have it in hand.
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Posted on: Oct 22 2020, 04:12 PM


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Space.com is running an article which gives the names and positions of the presenters:
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Naseem Rangwala, project scientist for the SOFIA mission at NASA's Ames Research Center in California, will be one of four speakers during Monday's news conference. She'll be joined by Paul Hertz, who leads NASA's astrophysics division; Jacob Bleacher, the chief exploration scientist for the Human Exploration and Operations Mission Directorate; and Casey Honniball, a postdoctoral fellow at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland.


Apologies for the speculation, but from that and the information found by djellison I would not be surprised if this was a detection of molecular water, as opposed to hydroxyl, and might be pegged as significant for hopes of ISRU in the next decade or so. If they've actually found a big black rectangle, well more fool me.
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Posted on: Oct 22 2020, 08:16 AM


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Thanks Doug!
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Posted on: Oct 22 2020, 02:26 AM


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This has just popped up in my news feed: NASA will be making an 'exciting' announcement regarding SOFIA observations of the Moon on the 26th... And that's more or less all we've got. Given what we know about the wavelengths SOFIA uses, and observation campaigns it's been used for that might be relevant to the Moon, I wondered if anyone might have any insight?
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Posted on: Sep 24 2020, 09:06 AM


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That's an awesome map (I do have a soft spot for maps of strange and distant places)!
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Posted on: Sep 16 2020, 01:00 AM


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QUOTE (JRehling @ Sep 16 2020, 12:20 AM) *
re: Phosphine on Venus as biogenic:

If someone familiar only with Europe looked at the Moon through a telescope... ... where it stops before you acquire more evidence.



That's a valid point but I'm not sure why you make it here? In fairness to the authors of the paper they haven't concluded there is life the Venusian clouds, they only advance it as one hypothesis of several that might fit this data. They attempt to rule out some others, and happily admit there's a huge slew of known unknowns and unknown unknowns surrounding the detection and origin of this phosphine, when asked.

Even if we could rule out a biogenic origin right this instant, the presence of phosphine adds another mystery to the Venusian chemical environment - which is already known to be a complex, ever changing, environment with lots of mysteries already, and direct relevance to our efforts to better understand Earth and it's history. So I'll admit to being excited at the thought it might start to receive more attention.
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Posted on: May 1 2020, 12:56 AM


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QUOTE (bkellysky @ Apr 30 2020, 01:55 PM) *
I read about this as a kid, in a Golden Book or somesuch, about putting out a sheet overnight and using a magnet to scoop up the meteoric particles the next day.
Never tried it. I thought local emissions of uncombusted metals from fuels and escaped emissions would be what I would be gathering up.


From what I understand that's true, but if you collect over enough area, over enough time, you'll get some micrometeorites too. The tricky bit is having the knowledge to tell them apart. I'm going to give it a go: We've got plastic guttering, so I'll buy some n52 neodynium magnets and mount them at intervals along it, with a thin removable plastic cover. I'll check them in 6 months or so. To identify any finds I'll have to do lots of lockdown reading on micrometeorites, oh dear oh dear smile.gif..
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Posted on: Apr 29 2020, 07:02 PM


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Although I realised that it was, in principle, true that micrometeorites are falling all around us, I had always assumed that collecting falling material in hopes of finding some would leave you with a large collection of particles from the local industries. You might, in theory, have a micrometeorite in there but you'd never be able to distinguish it.

However it seems that, with the expertise to identify a micrometeorites properly, and sufficient patience, it is possible. This link is to a paper detailing the recovery of 48 identified meteorite specks (and another potential 450) from material taken from gutters in Norway. Identification was by way of optical microscope examination first, then by embedding in resin, cutting, and polishing for electron microscope examination and wdx analysis. I don't suppose there's anyone here who has worked in micrometeorite studies who would like to weigh in?


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An urban collection of modern-day large micrometeorites: Evidence for variations in the extraterrestrial dust flux through the Quaternary

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We report the discovery of significant numbers (500) of large micrometeorites (>100 μm) from rooftops in urban areas. The identification of particles as micrometeorites is achieved on the basis of their compositions, mineralogies, and textures. All particles are silicate-dominated (S type) cosmic spherules with subspherical shapes that form by melting during atmospheric entry and consist of quench crystals of magnesian olivine, relict crystals of forsterite, and iron-bearing olivine within glass. Four particles also contain Ni-rich metal-sulfide beads. Bulk compositions are chondritic apart from depletions in the volatile, moderately volatile, and siderophile elements, as observed in micrometeorites from other sources. The reported particles are likely to have fallen on Earth in the past 6 yr and thus represent the youngest large micrometeorites collected to date. The relative abundance ratio of barred olivine to cryptocrystalline spherule types in the urban particles of 1.45 is shown to be higher than a Quaternary average of ∼0.9, suggesting variations in the extraterrestrial dust flux over the past 800 k.y. Changes in the entry velocities of dust caused by quasi-periodic gravitational perturbation during transport to Earth are suggested to be responsible. Variations in cosmic spherule abundance within the geologic column are thus unavoidable and can be a consequence of dust transport as well as major dust production events.:
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Posted on: Mar 18 2020, 08:36 AM


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That's very cool!
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Posted on: Feb 27 2020, 02:11 PM


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Just generally, from my physics background, layman's understanding of Martian weather and geology, and following forums and threads like this one, it has always seemed like there's no insurmountable barrier to small amount of transient liquid water forming on present day Mars, when the right conditions come together. But really solid evidence of it seems to be elusive, so perhaps, like me, people are waiting for something really direct and unarguable.
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Posted on: Feb 21 2020, 05:56 PM


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I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but the story is on several news outlets, so it seems appropriate to post the original paper here: Crocus melting on Mars:
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/ab612f
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Posted on: Feb 9 2020, 08:55 AM


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Hey guys, a huge slew of fascinating papers on Parker Solar Probe results - it looks like the near Sun environment is as complex and fascinating as anyone could wish for: https://iopscience.iop.org/issue/0067-0049/246/2
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Posted on: Dec 15 2019, 12:15 AM


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Thanks. That seems possible, but I'm not sure I understand why that's needed as an explanation - from the publicly available data I've seen the impact velocity was at least 50m/sec, the impact angle was at least 45 degrees... none of that seems inconsistent with the idea that debris could be scattered back along the ground track to me, I'm just wondering if I'm missing something wrt why it's even coming up as a topic of discussion in the wider internet.
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Posted on: Dec 12 2019, 02:31 PM


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WRT the crash, the LROC images show some debris scattered back along the ground track at quite a distance. Given the (very likely) angle and velocity of the impact this doesn't seem very strange to me - my layman's knowledge and reading is that hypervelocity impacts will produce a more or less even debris field around the impact unless the angle of impact is very, very low. But on other forums this seems to be a topic under discussion - how anything could be scattered the opposite way to the direction of the ground track. Given the concentration of expertise here I was wondering if anyone here found it unusual?
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Posted on: Dec 4 2019, 11:30 AM


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I feel like I ought to say: In a time when scientific research and the value of scientific thinking are under attack ISRO have behaved very irresponsibly with how they've shared information, giving the impression that they've put the truth as a lower priority than saving face. I'll not comment on the matter again here, and it is definitely my opinion only.
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