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Posted on: Apr 8 2007, 07:52 PM


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Thanks for the post. That is a beautiful image.

If the view from 8 km high Everest is THAT good, just imagine the scene when stood atop one of little Iapetus' 25 km high peaks with the white terrian under foot dropping into the dark material far below.

You'd feel like you were on top of the entire saturn system!
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Posted on: Apr 8 2007, 04:38 PM


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QUOTE (antipode @ Apr 8 2007, 01:23 PM) *
Putting on my tinfoil hat for a moment - what about a re-imaging of the infamous 'blair cuspids' rolleyes.gif

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On this dubious subject, does anyone remember 'The Shard'? That 1.5 mile high pillar seen in Lunar Orbiter 3 image III-84-M? Too bad it was just an image flaw and didn't show up in any other images of the same area.

I think when it comes to possible lunar geological activity, 'Ina' should be very high on the list of potential targets.

http://www.physorg.com/news82217633.html
  Forum: LRO & LCROSS · Post Preview: #87796 · Replies: 117 · Views: 148836

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Posted on: Apr 8 2007, 09:12 AM


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The Luna 2 impact site will also boast a second crater; that of Luna 2's third stage that hit the Moon some thirty minutes after Luna 2.

I wonder if the impact of the third stage was ever observed?
  Forum: LRO & LCROSS · Post Preview: #87774 · Replies: 117 · Views: 148836

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Posted on: Apr 7 2007, 08:46 PM


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If all the science has been achieved from LRO's initial orbit and the spacecraft's perilune is lowered sufficiently it could well image the scuffed up lunar soil around Apollo 11's descent stage. Perhaps even resolving individual bootprints under the required illumination.

That would certainly be one for the album.

Resolving the the six LM descent stages may also provide some science. The top surface of the descent stages have a fairly large surface area that has been exposed to space for a known period of time and images of sufficient quality could reveal if they have suffered any small impacts. Of course the vast majority of micro-craters would require a microscope to spot but there may be the odd dent a few CM across in one or more of them.

This may help to determine the average impact rate on the lunar surface. Something future Moonwalkers will definately want to know.

The crater left by the impact of Luna 2 is another must see and my money's on Phil Stooke for identifying it in LRO images.
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Posted on: Mar 20 2007, 07:10 PM


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December 2000 seems an awfully long time ago.

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA08899
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Posted on: Mar 18 2007, 02:40 PM


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Thanks for the info beleraphon1, I'll also be sure to check that book out.

It's interesting to note that Pioneer 10 also had a similar encounter with a previously unknown object:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/460095.stm

This KBO near miss has been discussed here on UMSF before but I cannot find a link to it at the moment.
  Forum: Saturn · Post Preview: #86307 · Replies: 21 · Views: 71825

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Posted on: Mar 17 2007, 11:51 AM


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Upon seeing the MSL rover in simulations I'm always struck by just how scorpion-like the thing looks. That inclined rear RTG really gives it a sting in the tail and the whole thing looks quite menacing, like it'd eat Sojourner for breakfast!
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Posted on: Mar 16 2007, 03:28 PM


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Here's some more information on the near miss:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lau.../2099/9711.html

Its a shame Pioneer 11's 'camera' wasn't looking at the object. It may have provided one of the better satellite images if it could have been imaged without smearing.

A 200km moon. Anyone know which one it was?
  Forum: Saturn · Post Preview: #86174 · Replies: 21 · Views: 71825

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Posted on: Mar 16 2007, 02:56 PM


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A couple of websites state that Pioneer 11 discovered a new moon of Saturn during its 1979 flyby and nearly collided with it.

http://www.uwgb.edu/DutchS/CosmosNotes/voyagr00.htm

The website says Pioneer 11 missed the previously unknown moon by only a few hundred km.

http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/planets/satslid.htm

Apparently the spacecraft inferred the moon's existance by the disturbances it created in Saturn's magnetic field.

Is this right? Did Pioneer 11 nearly end its mission in an unforseen Deep Impact style crash?
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Posted on: Mar 16 2007, 12:03 PM


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QUOTE (Navin @ Mar 16 2007, 02:49 AM) *
This MSL EDL video was played tonight on stage at this Kobie Boykins presentation. It was fantastic. The video was longer and extended beyond the YouTube version to include more surface operations. It included a nice segment where the laser ablated a rock and an instrument recorded readings from the "smoke" wafting away and the hole in the rock. Spiffy demonstration.

The longer video also depicted a core sampling drill that could be used on rocks or on the "soil". The core sample (depicted from penetrating a rock) was slipped out of the bit and placed INTO the MSL for some unspecified analysis. Very cool. I hope the whole video makes it onto the web soon.

Kobie Boykins is a MER solar panel designer. Someone in the audience remarked that the MSL video showed no solar panels. He responded (paraphrased): "No. No solar panels. I'll let you speculate on what its power source is, since I'm not allowed to publicly discuss it yet." wink.gif


Laser sampling of a martian rock and core drilling by MSL are seen as part of the following Sky at Night extended Mars special. They may be from the same simulation as mentioned above and look pretty cool:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spacegu.../proginfo.shtml
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Posted on: Mar 13 2007, 05:12 PM


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QUOTE (tasp @ Mar 11 2007, 08:43 PM) *
Voyager II saw some (apparent) white peaks on Iapetus off the (presumed) west end of the equatorial ridge structure.

We (hopefully) get to understand their significance in the upcoming September flyby.

Dark crater floors of Hyperion and Cassini Regio on Iapetus might have been understood as variants of the same physical process (if it turns out to be).


Thanks for the tip. I didn't know Voyager 2 images had been enhanced to show the 25 km peaks of Iapetus' ridge. Roll on September!

Here's a link if anyone is interested:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2000/pdf/1596.pdf
  Forum: Voyager and Pioneer · Post Preview: #85893 · Replies: 17 · Views: 28943

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Posted on: Mar 11 2007, 02:26 PM


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QUOTE (ugordan @ Mar 10 2007, 03:22 PM) *
I wouldn't go as far as to say we got to see the surface in 1980. We could have seen it if someone pulled this tricky processing on the data, but it's questionable whether that was possible back then.

In any case, here's an interesting theory about Saturn ring spokes Emily wrote about a while back. It's apparently based at least partially on geometrically calibrated Voyager data.


Thanks for the link. That's very interesting. I hadn't realised Saturn's 'spokes' were not actually radial to the planet. Great stuff, thanks ugordan!
  Forum: Voyager and Pioneer · Post Preview: #85729 · Replies: 17 · Views: 28943

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Posted on: Mar 10 2007, 03:08 PM


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I agree the reprocessed Voyager images of Titan don't compare to those of Cassini and therefore their scientific value isn't that high. It is pretty cool though, that we got to see hints of Titan's surface in 1980 but didn't appreciate it.
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Posted on: Mar 10 2007, 01:56 PM


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Can anyone suggest instances where reprocessed and reinterpreted Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 data have yielded new scientific insight?

I have the following so far:

Phil Stooke's reprocessed images of saturn's moons.
Phil Stooke's reprocessing of Ariel Uranus-shine images.
Titan's surface visible in reprocessed orange filter Voyager 1 images.
The discovery of Perdita (1986U10) in 1999 using Voyager 2 Uranus data.

Does anyone know of any more?
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Posted on: Mar 5 2007, 07:59 PM


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Thanks for all your hard work Ian. That mosaic is incerdible!

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Posted on: Feb 27 2007, 06:39 PM


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Thanks for the link Craig.

That's very interesting stuff. It's fascinating that Voyager 1 did catch a glimpse of Titan's surface markings!
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Posted on: Feb 14 2007, 05:18 PM


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A job well done Phil. Absolutely beautiful and (easy for me to say) well worth the effort!
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Posted on: Feb 13 2007, 07:32 PM


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Thanks for the link showing these highlights from nearly 30 years worth of Martian Dust Devils!
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Posted on: Jan 30 2007, 05:38 PM


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Thanks for the link Alex. Very interesting stuff.
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Posted on: Jan 28 2007, 04:20 PM


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Is it possible that UV radiation or weathering is breaking down some material present on the Viking landers?

Viking 1 as seen by HiRISE has a light trail eminating vertically from the lander:

http://hiroc.lpl.arizona.edu//images/PSP/P...VL-1_lander.png

Viking 2 from HiRISE also has a similar streak stretching to the lander's left:

http://hiroc.lpl.arizona.edu//images/PSP/P...VL-2_lander.png

The light streaks may simply be due to deposits of lighter material built up by the wind as it interacts with the landers. However the large boulder 'Big Joe', seen just to Viking 1's upper right, doesn't sport such a light streak.

Could the light material be something stripped off the landers due to their prolonged exposure on the Martian surface?
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Posted on: Jan 26 2007, 07:10 PM


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Thats's amazing! It's just like Minority Report!

Imagine getting Mars rover images on that thing and interacting with them!
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Posted on: Jan 14 2007, 02:59 PM


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You're right of course. It was a brilliantly ambitious piece of kit:

http://www.planetary.org/mars/tpr_rover-rus_first-rover.html

I suppose its too much to hope that future HiRISE images will show the little rover (or should that be skier) a few meters from the lander much like Sojourner and Pathfinder.

If the Mars 3 rover did make it onto the surface, presumably it would have reached the end of its tether. Much like the Soviet scientists in Mars program at the time when both their potentially brilliant landers failed.
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Posted on: Jan 8 2007, 07:15 PM


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I have just watched the BBC's report on the newly created 3D map of dark matter using Hubble data; and it made my heart sink.

I applaud the BBC for giving airtime to such discoveries, but for such a respected organisation their research was awful.

It's no wonder the vast majority of people are either bewildered or disinterested the the universe as a whole when the facts they are given are completely wrong.

It's a shame that tonight 60 million or so people in the UK and many other people around the world were told Hubble shone a beam of light out into the depths of the universe and studied how it was bent by the gravity of dark matter billions of light years away!

And this was a report from the BBCs science correspondant!

I remain downhearted that perhaps the most important story of the week was reported in such a shoddy manner.

Does anyone else feel space is being let down by TV coverage?
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Posted on: Jan 6 2007, 10:10 AM


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QUOTE (ljk4-1 @ Jan 6 2007, 02:39 AM) *
The more likely answer is that the Mars 3 relay orbiter went out of range for the
lander or there was a communications problem with the orbiter. The whole bit
about the dust storm disrupting things has been overblown, pardon the pun. I
believe that Martian winds are not quite as fierce as on Earth, even the ones that
whipped dust all over Mars in 1971.

Note that the Soviets were quite big on blaming natural causes for the failure of
their space probes, rather than any problems with their Glorious People's Technology.

When Mars 1 stopped transmitting before it reached Mars in 1963 (even though it set a
distance record at the time), the Soviets blamed a meteor hit rather than any problems
with the communications equipment. It was purely a guess on their part, as they had
no way to detect such a strike, especially one that would knock out the probe as a result.

At least we know that Mars 3 is intact on the surface and its parachute and heatshield
are not too far off. As for Mars 2 and 6, I wonder how easily MRO can tell a relatively
recent artificial crater from an older natural one?


So far we've only got a good up close look at one Martian crater definately known to be artificial.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050209.html

Notice how this mini crater displays the dark ejecta seen around far larger and natural recent craters.

I think natural and artificial craters will be indistinguishable unless some debris is still present.
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Posted on: Jan 6 2007, 10:01 AM


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QUOTE (nprev @ Jan 6 2007, 01:14 AM) *
Thanks for the enlightenment, AOAV, and belated congrats to Phil! smile.gif

So, Rhea falls more nearly in line with the rest of the icy moons in general character as far as a history of major impactors. Does this imply that the Saturn system was riddled with large objects above the normal background level, and if so does this say something about the age of the ring system given the apparent antiquity of the craters?


Saturn's moons do sport some huge impact basins relative to their sizes. This could well be due a flux of errant objects in the Saturn system, perhaps the debris from the gigantic impact that shattered Hyperion. If the bulk of ring particles do originate from a shattered inner moon broken apart by one of these ancient impacts then the rings may be far older than thought. Alternatively, the rings may have originated from a tidally disrupted moon and may have formed far more recently.

Saturn's myriad moons are fascinating and are going to take a long time to understand.
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