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I was just replying to a suggestion by Mr. Natural: My question was whether the drill can get through something like chert. Not too good personally on geology, but the chert around my locale is pretty much like flint (conchoidal fractures). Also it would be like trying to drill a marble resting on a stick of butter. I believe the MER-B's RAT was able to expose the interior of some embedded "blueberries", but if these are chert concretions then it would be bloody frustrating trying to open one up. Of course the reward could be great because chert can preserve various goodies.... |
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| Posted on: Sep 17 2014, 05:48 PM | |
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During the telecon John Grotzinger reported that the rock they attempted to drill near Hidden Valley (Bonanza King) is high in silicon, more than they've seen on Mars except for Spirit and the rock dubbed Fuzzy Smith. The Pahrump rocks are of the same character as Bonanza King & so they would indeed be something new to drill in Gale Crater. High silica in that context (layered rocks, cross-bedding) I gather suggests acidic aqueous conditions which leached out other minerals. I wonder if the rock was a hydrated silica or something like a chert, either of which would be very interesting. I think Grotz has actually done research on cherts and organic preservation. Hydrated silica has been detected by CRISM in Hellas Basin and other places on Mars such as Mawrth Vallis. I guess we will not have to wait long to find out.... |
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| Posted on: Sep 15 2014, 01:27 PM | |
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Let's hope there's no methane at our immediate destination. Imagine the headlines . . . Speaking of which, I was a little disappointed, as usual, by Irene Klotz's question about the report by the NASA review panel. It is the type of question one would expect by the pop new organizations instead of someone who is supposed to be a science reporter. How about a question about a technical issue such the resistance of certain classes of organics to cosmic rays (PAHs for instance)? Or the geology of Pahrump Hills? Or the reagent issue in SAM? |
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| Posted on: Feb 15 2014, 11:09 PM | |
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It was a very subtle thing, but you might look closely at these images: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/ms...0000E1_DXXX.jpg and http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/ms...0000E1_DXXX.jpg I don't think there was a press release pertaining to DRT or any operational issues with it since its original use, and so you can draw your own conclusions, but one might be hopeful that such a subtle thing would yield only a temporary engineering prohibition after some rework. Which subtle thing is that? The DRT seems to have some aberrant bristles sticking out? Is that it? I do not see the wayward bristles in this photo from Honeybee: http://www.honeybeerobotics.com/portfolio/dust-removal-tool/ |
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| Posted on: Mar 14 2013, 11:50 AM | |
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I think the CO2 is coming off at too high a temperature for it to be adsorbed gas. There is quite a lot of it, and I wouldn't expect the sample to contain that much organic material. If it is combusting organics, then it could be the leaked reagent. The Rocknest sample released CO2 at a similar temperature. The Rocknest peak was broader, and that was interpeted as coming from several different sources, one of which was a decomposing Fe or Mg carbonate mineral. This release is happening at 415C, which is about the same as the biggest release from Rocknest, the origin of which is unclear. If they measure the isotope ratios in the CO2, I think they can work out the formation temperature of the carbonate, which would give an insight into past Martian climate. Edit: For reference, here is a paper on the CO2 release from Rocknest. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2013/pdf/2095.pdf One possibility they consider is that the soil contains a lot of organic material, too much for it to be from meteors. Personally, without other evidence for large amounts of organics, I think the acid catalysed decomposition of a carbonate is a more likely explanation. I would think that if it is caused by combusting organics then there should be some partial combustion products produced also... |
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| Posted on: Mar 14 2013, 02:23 AM | |
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Would anyone care to elaborate on the SAM CO2 findings? Mahaffy noted that the CO2 peak could have been cause either by the oxidation of carbon compounds or from carbonates. I would think that either of these possibilities is rather significant. |
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| Posted on: Mar 12 2013, 07:08 PM | |
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When they do get moving it's going to be like "We got a bunch of cartographers about to turn blue, we're breathing again" Phil I would be in no great rush to leave such a geologically rich area. Besides what if Mt. Sharp turns out to made of aeolian deposits instead of water-borne sediments? [I suspect that Mt Sharp is not aeolian at the base, only the upper layers.] |
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| Posted on: Mar 11 2013, 10:46 PM | |
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I completely agree. ... Almost needless to say, the general public funds this mission. They need to be catered to. The comments accompanying Craig Covault's article are discouraging to say the least. Science writers (myself included) need to do a better job communicating what is happening with this mission and why it has been so successful so far. There is a lot of unwarranted negativity in those comments such as complaining about the cosmic ray hit when they should be complimenting the team on having the foresight to have a backup mirror computer. |
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| Posted on: Mar 7 2013, 06:30 PM | |
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Ken Herkenhoff's USGS Blog today, March 6th, 2013: More from Yahoo News / AP... http://news.yahoo.com/curiosity-sleeps-sol...-195607889.html ~ & ~ http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-puts-mars-rover...-020600321.html And from The Space Reporter... http://thespacereporter.com/2013/03/massiv...-for-wild-ride/ Does this mean that RAD will not be operational? Too bad; such measurements would be very interesting. |
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| Posted on: Feb 20 2013, 02:23 AM | |
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Anyone have a vacuum chamber and some clay-y mud? Also I have to wonder what would happen to a carbonate / mud mix when sulfuric acid percolates through it. I would think that CO2 would bubble out it... |
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| Posted on: Feb 17 2013, 02:28 PM | |
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Update from Craig Covault at spaceref... http://spaceref.com/mars/curiousmars-scien...lling-site.html Craig (no relation) I found the mention of X-ray Fluorescence in the article rather interesting. I had thought that the ChemMin XRF requirement for MSL had been descoped. But it appears that some XRF (using transmission geometry instead of reflected geometry) will still be possible (http://msl-scicorner.jpl.nasa.gov/Instruments/CheMin/): "This requirement [XRF] was amended when the Si-PIN diode for reflection-geometry XRF was descoped from the proposed design. Quantitative XRF analysis of elemental composition is now only a “best effort” task dependent on progress in element quantification using only the transmission geometry. " |
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| Posted on: Jan 20 2013, 03:35 AM | |
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| Posted on: Dec 11 2012, 02:28 AM | |
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Let's not get too carried away; MSL does have finite limits on instruments and resources. The ChemMin specification (D. Blake et al) notes: "During the nominal MSL mission of one Mars year, the ChemMin CCD will be damaged by high-energy neutrons from the nuclear power source..." so performance will degrade after that (although steps to ameliorate this have been taken). There are a bunch of other limits, some more serious than others. Off the top of my head here are few: There is a limit to the amount of helium carrier gas MSL carries. Residue may accumulate in the quartz cups but that may not be a problem. And there is a limited supply of solvents in the wet cells limiting the amount of polar (i.e. amino acids) chemical extractions that can be done. Hopefully MSL will last long enough to come up against these limits for even if it is half-blind (as Opportunity is now) with a degraded ChemMin CCD and depleted wet cells etc., it is still an incredible machine. I sure hope the MSL nominal mission of one Martian year is as accurate as the 3-month estimated lifespan of the MERs. JPL has an excellent track record so I am very hopeful. As far as Mt. Sharp, Matthew Golombek noted in an excellent pre-landing briefing that MSL will not travel above the sulfate layers because it is thought that area is dominated by soft aeolian deposits. |
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| Posted on: Nov 23 2012, 03:08 PM | |
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Can we discuss SAM's stereochemistry capabilities? I believe that SAM can sort out chirality, but I have seen very little written about this. As we all know, stereochemistry would allow us to help us determine, ah I hesitate to say this, the genesis of some organics. As far as I can tell, SAM can determine if a peak is chiral, but I am not sure if it can tell if there is a preponderance of L- versus D- for a particular organic chemical. |
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| Posted on: Nov 6 2012, 11:29 PM | |
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This is not LOL funny but I got a smile out of it: Before EDL JPL produced this delightful video describing the MSL mission. What I found interesting is that JPL found a narrator that sounds somewhat like Dr. Carol Marcus from The Wrath of Khan (when she is describing the Genesis Project): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUQ91fdYbP4 Here is Dr Carol Marcus (poor quality alas): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsr-XtuKuSw |
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