Nothing. What's idiotic is complaining that there are no images, when there are, which 5 seconds with Google would tell anybody. What's idiotic is not checking first, before labelling STEREO as awful. It would be impossible to spend more than a minute looking for the images, without finding them. So what does that tell you when someone comes here and complains they don't exist?

Ted wasn't describing newbies as idiotic. Two very long term members, with significant post counts should have the initiative and sensibility to go and check that these images don't exist before complaining about it.

I 'spoke' to Ed about this earlier - the publicity interest has been enormous, loads of Media etc. It's such a simple yet brilliant idea

Shameless plug moved to appropriate sub-forum. You'll get feedback from this lot - Ohhh boy

That is DTE session.

UHF sessions with orbiters are 10-15 minutes, 128 or 256kbps, and anything from 1 to about 150 Mbits

MER passes were typically 30 - 90 minutes, and MER peaked at 16.6 kbps via its HGA, so 59 Mbits/hour at that rate.

Doug

It's OK from here.

THat wasn't mentioned - infact, Maven was still explicitly stated with its orig. launch date. Of course, that may change - but then, for no relay - you're asking for the failure of Mars Odyssey, Mars Express, MRO AND the failure of Maven to launch on time. That's a LOT of 'ifs'.

Doug

By then, hopefully, we'll have Maven

A failure of MODY, MRO AND MEX in 4 years? Highly unlikely.

Key point I got was that the $400m is not in addition to the $200m to finish in 09 - but it's instead of it. And instead of being $200M to find in FY09 - it's $400m to find over FY09,10,11,12,13 and 14 (if I heard Doug right) - so a much easier thing to manage.

Taking the $1.65B (the '06 figure when the mission was confirmed) +25% over-spend that was required for an '09 launch - (2.1B) - the mission will actually be $2.3 - 43% over - not great, but not totally un-known in this field. All things considered, appropriate for the flagship mission that it is (in everything but name)

MSL was NEVER a $600m mission. Smart Lander was - but Smart Lander isn't happening, MSL is. Lots of miss-information out there.

Damn good question Emily.

2011 window is October to December - yet to be determined where in that window.

Doug

I think it's just that you can't put them where you would want to - because the RTG is there. Can't

Just noticed

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/spotlight/ima.../20081119_1.gif

It has four rear hazcams - two each side of the RTG. I wonder if it's the same at the front.

Via James' find in the PDS

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010341_1775

And

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_010486_1775

Looks to me like once thru the current purgatoid/pavement area onto the Fram-crater-adjacent like terrain, it's smooth sailing, and by the time the purgatoids come back, we've got acres and acres of pavement for long drivers as well.

Awesome

(Starting a new thread for discussion of imagery beyond that which we already had)

That's what I'm expecting. A quote I have on one slide on my "Cosmic Casualty" talk simply states

"Delay is preferable to error" - Thomas Jefferson

Doug

" The actual delivery schedule will exceed these requirements: the Phoenix Project will make at least two deliveries to the PDS, the first one no later than six months after Sol 30 data are received on Earth, and the second one no later than six months after Sol 90 data are received on Earth"
http://pds-geosciences.wustl.edu/missions/phoenix/index.htm

Due, I would have thought, in the not too distant future. We are 161 days after Sol 30, which was June 25th. So according to the PHX archive plan - it'll be Chrismas day

Doug

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2008/dec/H...MSL_Update.html

From the wording of this announcement, MSL is clearly still on, which is a good thing. We'll have to wait and see.

Doug

And did those feeeeet.....

Isn't Radio Cumbria, according to Richard Hammond, the one that did the sheep-exchange program or something - like Swop-Shop but for farm animals?

I swear - hand on heart - I was going 'Rover Driver, Rover Rover Driver' before the Lorry version hit the Moyles shoe

The temptation to re-write the lyrics for a certain US pop singers latest creation 'Womanizer' is exceedingly high...

Rover Driver, Rover-Rover Driver
You're a Rover Driver
Oh, Rover Driver, oh
You're a Rover Driver, baby

You, you, you are
You, you, you are
Rover Driver, Rover Driver, Rover Driver,

etc.

Next time you hear it on the radio or whatever, trust me, you'll be singing along now.

You know something Stu, from the words, I'm just not getting the feeling you had a good time.

So they'll look more like this..?

http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/11_1_99_phobos/

Yup