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djellison
Posted on: Nov 6 2014, 06:27 PM


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QUOTE (mcgyver @ Nov 6 2014, 09:48 AM) *
How long does it take to OSIRIS to change color filter?



A google search for "osiris instrument rosetta pdf"

Reveals this paper http://pdssbn.astro.umd.edu/holdings/ro-a-.../osiris_ssr.pdf

Which states....

CODE
8.3 Positioning accuracy and filter encoder
Motor movement is achieved by sequential activation of
the 4 motor phases where always two adjacent phases are
simultaneously powered. Each activation step moves the
motors by one rotation step. A change to the next filter
position requires 27 motor steps in either direction. Filter
changes are completed in less than 1 s


It later states

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9 Shutter mechanism
In each camera an electromechanical shutter in front of
the CCD controls the exposure. The shutter is designed to
support exposure times between 10 ms and > 100 s with a
maximum repetition rate of 1 s
-1
. Typical imaging might
use exposure times of 100 ms and repetition rates of one
image every 7 s. The shutter is able to expose the 28  28
mm2
active area of the detector with uniformity of better
than 1/500. A total of 50 000 shutter operations is
anticipated throughout the mission


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Posted on: Nov 6 2014, 06:21 PM


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The math for figuring it out is very very simple. You don't even need to use trig.

Take any image for which there is a quoted range and resolution
http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images/20...te_from_30_km_a

Which states
[quoteThe image was taken by Rosetta’s OSIRIS narrow-angle camera at 07:04 GMT on 12 September 2014 from a distance of about 30 km. The image scale is 0.5 m/pixel and the image covers about 1 km square.[/quote]

30km -> 50cm/pixel

So 15km would be 25cm/pixel

3km (closer than they plan to get with Rosetta) would be 5cm/pixel

So no - the 2cm figure is probably optimistic.
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Posted on: Nov 6 2014, 04:02 PM


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I see a couple of entries ( 4 in total ) in the long range DSN schedule for the first two weeks in January 2015 ( DOY 6, 11, 12 and 13 ) for VEX - but the DSN schedule isn't particularly reliable that far out.
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Posted on: Nov 5 2014, 01:14 AM


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I took the Photojournal image ( http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA19038 ) and attempted to crudely turn it into a comparative graph.

I took a 10 pixel wide vertical slice from each of the two images, turned it to greyscale, reduced to 1 pixel wide, extracted raw values via ImageJ and then plotted with Excel. Very much a qualitative comparison and shouldn't be considered in any way quantitative.

The hematite spike is obvious - but there's also a double bump in the Confidence Hills sample (just left of center in this image) whereas Cumberland has a single bump.
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Posted on: Nov 4 2014, 04:30 AM


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I think some would benefit from reading the documentation regarding the design and testing of Philae....

http://www.simpack.com/fileadmin/simpack/d...lanck_hilch.pdf

http://elib.dlr.de/87802/1/Poster_DLR_Land...zeA4_IPPW10.pdf

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2013/pdf/1392.pdf
from which this paragraph is particularly important....
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Surface strength: The surface strength of comets
is still not well constrained but believed to be in the 1
kPa – 100 kPa range [4,5]. Philae has been designed
for compressive strengths between 2 kPa and 2 MPa.
For a compressive strength less than 2kPa, Philae’s
baseplate would touch the ground (but then effectively
stopping further penetration) and the 360° rotation capability
of the landing gear would be compromised.
Still, all experiments could be performed. Only for
compressive strengths < 100Pa (equivalent to tensile
strengths of less than 5 . . . 10Pa) the mission objectives
would be compromised. For compressive
strengths > 2 MPa (solid ice), the harpoons may not
anchor safely.


And finally
http://issfd.org/ISSFD_2012/ISSFD23_GC_2.pdf

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Posted on: Oct 29 2014, 09:44 PM


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It's not surface 'weight' that's the problem ( about 11 grams by my rough calculations - 0.01 Newtons )

It's the impact of landing. 1m/sec to a dead stop in, say, 20cm..... is a 5m/sec/sec deceleration - which is 500N of deceleration force for the 100kg Philae: 50,000x higher than the resting surface weight.
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Posted on: Oct 29 2014, 05:42 PM


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QUOTE (Gerald @ Oct 29 2014, 09:09 AM) *
S-band communication usually is rather tolerant in terms of pointing.


Whilst the lower frequencies are less fussy regarding pointing - the predominant factor in required pointing accuracy is antenna design - NOT frequency.

The S-Band relay from Huygens to Cassini had a beamwidth of only 2.3-2.4 degrees because it used Cassini's HGA.
http://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/DPSummary/Des...3--Cassini2.pdf ( page 8 )

Whereas Deep Impact's probe-flyby relay used S-Band but patch-antennas that were in essence omnidirectional and managed 64kbps downlink at 8,000km range.



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Posted on: Oct 29 2014, 01:30 PM


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Arkyd 3 wasn't their first telescope - it was a technology demonstration 3U cubesat. Still a tragic loss along with RACE, another 28 satellite flock from PLanet Labs and all the other ISS resupply hardware.

http://www.geekwire.com/2014/arkyd-3/
"On board are Planetary Resources’ initial designs for a computer system, a power system, a communications system, an attitude determination system (determining the direction the satellite is pointing relative to the stars) and many other technologies that Planetary Resources plans to continue working on as it develops future versions of spacecraft in the Arkyd line."
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Posted on: Oct 28 2014, 04:36 PM


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QUOTE (mcgyver @ Oct 28 2014, 08:05 AM) *
(Who cares if it will take years to send HD data back to earth? One day or the other they'll eventually arrive)


There's a few issues with what you're saying. Firstly - Rosetta is taking a lot lot more than 1 frame per day..... that's simply what's being released at the moment. Once all this data is delivered to ESA's PSA - there will be hundreds of image of 67P that people will be able to turn into pretty amazing animations.


And who cares how long it might take to downlink an HD video? Well actually - all the scientists and engineers entrusted with operating Rosetta and doing science with it. The amount of data it's possible to return from the somewhere as far as 67P is a massive constraint on operations. It's not a question of taking an HD camera, or processing it's data...it's getting it back to Earth.

A rough calculation: 90 second of highly compressed 720p video is around 170 Megabytes. At typical data rates from Rosetta - that would take 8 HOURS to download from the spacecraft. That represents pretty much an entire day's downlink from a typical deep space spacecraft. And for what? An HD video 90 seconds long that, to be honest, would be better represented by a few 2k x 2k still images anyway - and you would have given up all the other scientific measurements Rosetta could take that day. These spacecraft do not last for ever. It's wrong to assume data will somehow magically make it to Earth eventually.


Curiosity is capable of, and indeed has taken HD video from the surface of Mars - but only on a few very specific, very select and very rare occasions, for the same reasons - the quantity of data it's possible to return from deep space is a massive, massive constraint. Kaguya at lunar distances was capable of, and indeed did return many HD movies of the moon where the data rate doesn't represent such a constraint ( typical downlink from lunar orbit is more than 2,000 times faster than Rosetta right now.
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Posted on: Oct 28 2014, 02:27 PM


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QUOTE (mcgyver @ Oct 28 2014, 06:24 AM) *
Why can't they just use a separated and standalone camera to take snapshots during landing? If it works, that's fine, else, who cares?


They do. The challenge is offloading the data thru the flight computer to be transmitted back up to Rosetta and from there on to Earth - all whilst the flight computer is trying to land.
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Posted on: Oct 24 2014, 11:26 PM


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For those who want to read tens of thousands of words by Don on that issue - read this thread http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showtopic=4308
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Posted on: Oct 24 2014, 07:23 PM


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I'd certainly like to have a look at the model, Sittingduck ( specifically with a view to 3d printing )

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Posted on: Oct 22 2014, 07:14 PM


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This is data I've looked at myself - ( from here - http://pds-geosciences.wustl.edu/mpf/mpfl-...im_2xxx/extras/ ) - and making a nice coherent mesh without holes is a huge HUGE creative task.

It'll be a brave person to take it on

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Posted on: Oct 22 2014, 05:14 PM


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Oct 18th Navcam 4 frames from http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2014/10/22/co...ops-neighbours/
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Posted on: Oct 21 2014, 05:04 PM


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QUOTE (climber @ Oct 21 2014, 10:01 AM) *
Any body has more information about this picture showing on spaceflightnow?


It's the same HiRISE imagery we've been talking about here since yesterday
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA18618

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Posted on: Oct 20 2014, 03:33 PM


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A model of that size is going to be about that much. And you don't need to 'hollow' the model - the middleware between an STL file and the printer will do that for you autonomously to suit the requirements of the printer whilst using no more material than necessary.
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Posted on: Oct 19 2014, 01:27 AM


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I know that. But it's still SPICE that's driving HORIZONS. The same SPICE driving 'Eyes..' and telling the DSN where to point.
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Posted on: Oct 19 2014, 12:46 AM


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QUOTE (jmknapp @ Oct 18 2014, 02:40 PM) *
Maybe the files are from another source than ISRO?


Let me put it another way. The DSN is using SPICE data generated by JPL nav team. We use the exact same SPICE data in Eyes on the Solar System. That same SPICE data is driving anything people get from HORIZONS.
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Posted on: Oct 18 2014, 06:55 PM


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QUOTE (jmknapp @ Oct 18 2014, 04:15 AM) *
except the Indian orbiter, which doesn't use SPICE, unfortunately.


It does. If you're being talked to by the DSN and JPL is helping with navigation - believe me - there's SPICE involved. It might not be publicly available - but there IS SPICE data.

If you go into HORIZONS Telnet and ping for MOM - you will see this

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Name                                         Start (CT)         Stop (CT)
   ---------------------------------------  -----------------  -----------------
   131105-131109_od003_v1_dsn               2013-Nov-05 09:53  2013-Nov-05 17:01
   131105-131109_od005_v1_dsn               2013-Nov-05 17:01  2013-Nov-06 20:22
   131106-131111_od008_v1_dsn               2013-Nov-06 20:22  2013-Nov-07 21:27
   131107-131111_od011_v1_dsn               2013-Nov-07 21:27  2013-Nov-08 21:16
   131108-131113_od013-newEBN4_v1_dsn       2013-Nov-08 21:16  2013-Nov-09 22:31
   131108-131112_od014_v1_dsn               2013-Nov-09 22:31  2013-Nov-10 00:01
   131110-131113_od017_v1_dsn               2013-Nov-10 00:01  2013-Nov-10 21:29
   131110-131114_od018_v2_dsn               2013-Nov-10 21:29  2013-Nov-12 00:01
   131112-131130_od022_v1_dsn               2013-Nov-12 00:01  2013-Nov-15 20:20
   131115-131211_od032_v1_dsn               2013-Nov-15 20:20  2013-Nov-25 13:01
   131125-140926_od033_v1_dsn               2013-Nov-25 13:01  2013-Nov-30 20:01
   131130-140926_od041_v1_withTCM1_dsn      2013-Nov-30 20:01  2013-Dec-11 09:56
   131211-140926_od090_v1_dsn               2013-Dec-11 09:56  2014-Feb-19 04:01
   140219-140926_od170_v1_dsn               2014-Feb-19 04:01  2014-Apr-15 02:01
   140415-140926_od205_v1_dsn               2014-Apr-15 02:01  2014-Jul-26 22:31
   140726-150925_od222_v1_MOI               2014-Jul-26 22:31  2014-Sep-24 02:15
   140924-141024_od227_v1_dsn               2014-Sep-24 02:15  2014-Sep-27 01:41
   140927-141029_od230_v1_dsn               2014-Sep-27 01:41  2014-Sep-30 03:46
   140930-141125_od232_v1-PHASEMVR_JPL      2014-Sep-30 03:46  2014-Oct-03 22:21
   141003-141107_od235_v1_dsn               2014-Oct-03 22:21  2014-Oct-12 20:16
   141012-141115_od237_v1_dsn               2014-Oct-12 20:16  2014-Nov-15 12:01


That's all filenames of SPICE BSPs

Doug

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Posted on: Oct 17 2014, 10:22 PM


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QUOTE (JohnVV @ Oct 16 2014, 02:46 PM) *
there is a Blender ".blend " file on the NASA 3d mesh site


That's one of ours - it's from the Eyes on the Solar System team. Word of warning - as with almost every spacecraft we make - we had nothing in terms of good reference material. Infact, less than ususal because it's an ESA mission. It looks OK - but do not expect it to be especially accurate. We did our best, but we really had little to go on.
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Posted on: Oct 17 2014, 05:31 AM


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This thread. The post before yours.
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Posted on: Oct 12 2014, 01:47 AM


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Not a hard seartch to do....finding this took less time than typing it up.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mro+siding+spring

Third hit

http://cometcampaign.org/files/docs/sessio...CSS_CIOC_v3.pdf
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Observation Plan for Comet Siding Spring Encounter

Page 5 of which states....


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There are 3 main science objectives for MRO during the encounter:
– Observations of the comet near closest approach
• Nucleus size, rotation, shape (estimate => 0.6-1.5 km diameter)
– HiRISE (best resolution ~131 m/pixel)
– CTX (> 3 km/pixel) and CRISM (>10 km/pixel) with also observe
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Posted on: Oct 7 2014, 01:05 AM


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Probably the best way is to let people download two separate movies - a left and right eye - and then people can use something like Stereoscopic player ( http://www.3dtv.at/Index_en.aspx ) to play it in any format they choose - Anaglyph - X-Eye - Over and Under etc etc. If hosting them's a problem, I'm sure UMSF and/or TPS can help smile.gif

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Posted on: Oct 7 2014, 12:26 AM


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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Oct 6 2014, 05:04 PM) *
...... this is subjective


Very very very subjective.
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Posted on: Oct 2 2014, 01:45 AM


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Currently scheduled for Jan 19th.
http://spaceflightnow.com/tracking/index.html
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