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| Posted on: Feb 15 2006, 04:33 PM | |
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I'd say that where the rover is now would equate to the same height as the top of the outcrop over on Mongollon rim - and that there is a depression between 'here' and 'there'. Essentially, we're looking across a crater to the far wall. Doug |
| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #41715 · Replies: 690 · Views: 512126 |
| Posted on: Feb 15 2006, 02:35 PM | |
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http://bookstore.spie.org/index.cfm?fuseac...d=619857&coden= QUOTE Abstract The Optical Navigation Camera (ONC) is part of NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) scheduled for an August 2005 launch. The design is a 500 mm focal length, F/8.3 Ritchey-Chretien with a refractive field corrector. Prior to flight, the off-axis performance of the ONC was measured at visible wavelengths in the off-axis scatter facility at the Space Dynamics Laboratory (SDL). This unique facility is designed to minimize scatter from the test setup to prevent data corruption. Testing was conducted in a clean room environment, and the results indicate that no detectable contamination of the optics occurred during testing. Measurements were taken in two time frames to correct an unanticipated stray light path, which occurred just outside of the sensor's field-of-view. The source of the offending path was identified as scatter from the edges of the field corrector lenses. Specifically, scatter from the interface between the flat ground glass and polished surfaces resulted in significant "humps" in the off-axis response centered at ± 1.5°. Retesting showed the removal of the humps, and an overall satisfactory performance of the ONC. The troubleshooting, correction, and lessons learned regarding the above stray light path was reported on in an earlier paper. This paper discusses the measurement process, results, and a comparison to a software prediction and other planetary sensors. The measurement validated the final stray light design and complemented the software analysis. Very little info out there though. That's about all I could find. |
| Forum: MRO 2005 · Post Preview: #41697 · Replies: 171 · Views: 226483 |
| Posted on: Feb 15 2006, 01:49 PM | |
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I think you're all comparing apples and pears - size of data product vs optical resolution! Bob Shaw Ahh - BUT - if the actual resolving power of HiRISE turns out to be only, say, 60cm/pixel - then onboard downsampling can produce a data product 1/4 the size, so we can have 4x as many of them Doug |
| Forum: MRO 2005 · Post Preview: #41686 · Replies: 18 · Views: 19064 |
| Posted on: Feb 15 2006, 10:47 AM | |
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| Forum: Spirit · Post Preview: #41672 · Replies: 596 · Views: 350222 |
| Posted on: Feb 15 2006, 09:57 AM | |
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You see Bruce - not that hard. Here, have a cookie Seriously - the manned v unmanned stuff is old, repetative and boring -but if you want to thrash it out, do it in its own thread. Doug |
| Forum: Lunar Exploration · Post Preview: #41668 · Replies: 35 · Views: 42921 |
| Posted on: Feb 15 2006, 08:29 AM | |
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OK, now that's a little strange. I defintely posted that last message as two seperate messages to get under the 1MB attachment limit. But the BB keeps joining them back into one! Is this a feature of the upgrade? I'm still finding features but yes, I believe that's one of them. It tried to tidy up and not have one person making several consecutive replies. Doug |
| Forum: New Horizons · Post Preview: #41655 · Replies: 162 · Views: 215926 |
| Posted on: Feb 15 2006, 08:27 AM | |
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The trouble is that, in this particular case, there's simply no way to avoid bringing up the issue It's really very easy Bruce, you just have to stop making the point. It's that easy. If you can't stop making the point, then I'll start stoping you doing it the hard way - I'd rather you did it the easy way by restraint. Doug |
| Forum: Lunar Exploration · Post Preview: #41654 · Replies: 35 · Views: 42921 |
| Posted on: Feb 14 2006, 10:09 PM | |
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Question for Jim Bell: The usual left cam 3-channel multispectal imaging is bands 2,5,7 <near-IR,green,violet> Sometimes we have other color combos like 2,5,6 or 2,4,7 or 3,5,7 (or some such.. I'd have to go back and check examples). All of the alternate sequences seem to produce images with degraded color discrimination: two of the channels are too similar to each other, and you typically get images that are dominated by long-vs-short wavelength differences and the color differences due to the middle channel (reflecting curvature in the spectrum) are less discriminated. What's the rationale behind some of these other filter sequences during only 3 filter color imaging? Oh.. regarding HomePlate... it's obviously the fossilized pizza-crust of the gods. Heaven help us if Spirit finds 1 meter fossilized pepperoni, ...or anchovies! This one got done, as did the one regarding aging Doug |
| Forum: Forum News · Post Preview: #41612 · Replies: 82 · Views: 119793 |
| Posted on: Feb 14 2006, 10:02 PM | |
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Perhaps they'll combine the two, downsample and subsample i.e. take the full thing, but send the full width at 1/4res, and the central 4k pixels at full res. I've seen fairly confident mention of 5mbps, and one of the reports I mention elsewhere in this subforum talks about 6mbps. Obviously, I appreciate this will only be at certain ranges, and only with larger DSN assets, and only some of the time. I guess once you factor all that in, and the requirements of the other instruments and so on and so forth - a couple of images a day makes sense. It does seem a bit mad, however, that only something like 70,000 sqkm or so will be imaged at that res - for a planet with as much land as Earth, it's an area just the size of Lithuania. I guess a lot of it will be monochrome, probably 2x downsampled ( good for SNR ), and thus approx 50-60cm/pixel. It's going to be good stuff, but what's MOC up to now, 200k images +? It'll take a long time for MRO to match that Doug |
| Forum: MRO 2005 · Post Preview: #41608 · Replies: 18 · Views: 19064 |
| Posted on: Feb 14 2006, 09:54 PM | |
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What's TPS's advice for non-American-tax-payers - what can us foreigners do? (apart from bitch and moan about it) Doug |
| Forum: Exploration Strategy · Post Preview: #41606 · Replies: 89 · Views: 86513 |
| Posted on: Feb 14 2006, 05:09 PM | |
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I often click that and get nothing - I'll have another bash Doug |
| Forum: Spirit · Post Preview: #41547 · Replies: 596 · Views: 350222 |
| Posted on: Feb 14 2006, 04:51 PM | |
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| Forum: Spirit · Post Preview: #41540 · Replies: 596 · Views: 350222 |
| Posted on: Feb 14 2006, 04:08 PM | |
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Yes... but... in this new world, where IDD deploys are going to have to be more rare than they were (and have therefore become the new coin of the realm), we are arguably *wasting* a lot of them here. Well - they've parked the IDD once since the problem arose - arguably a sensible thing to do to check the IDD performance in and around the parked position in preperation for the next time it's used. Arguably the most interesting MI targets of the entire mission, and only one actual IDD deply.... 'wasting a lot' - I don't think so. Doug |
| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #41534 · Replies: 690 · Views: 512126 |
| Posted on: Feb 14 2006, 03:43 PM | ||
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Reading thru lots of little PDF's I've found, i get a figure that mentions up to 12 Gbits for a single full HiRISE image.....BUT - look at this... To me, it would seem that they might get as few as one full HiRISE image per day BUT - at the best data rates of say, up to 6Mbits/sec - 12 Gbits is only 34 minutes of downlink. Can anyone sync those two facoids? It seems that the suggested performance, and the expected return, don't match by an order of magnitude. Doug |
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| Forum: MRO 2005 · Post Preview: #41523 · Replies: 18 · Views: 19064 |
| Posted on: Feb 14 2006, 03:15 PM | |
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Title: Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) - from downlink to archive http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstre...6/1/04-0768.pdf Title: Thermal Analysis Methods for Aerobraking Heating http://library-dpace.larc.nasa.gov/dspace/...paper_final.pdf Title: The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter mission operations: architecture and approach http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstre...7/1/05-2581.pdf Title: Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter design approach for high-resolution surface imaging http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstre...0/1/03-0246.pdf Title: Mars 2005 Reconnaissance Orbiter aerobraking reference trajectory http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstre...9/1/01-2890.pdf Title: Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter flight system overview http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstre...5/1/01-2700.pdf Title: The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Mission http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstre...9/1/02-2606.pdf Title: Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) HGA images http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstre...6/1/03-2630.pdf Title: Can MRO send 6 Mbps telemetry using x-band channel 32? http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstre...7/1/03-0682.pdf Enjoy |
| Forum: MRO 2005 · Post Preview: #41517 · Replies: 0 · Views: 3077 |
| Posted on: Feb 14 2006, 02:34 PM | |
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One final note: since I seem to have a perverse talent for hijacking every thread on this site for the purpose of diatribes against manned spacelight, I think it might be wise to set up a thread specifically to discuss the preferability of manned versus unmanned spaceflight down in the "Policy" section, and plant all future discussions on the subject there. If you want a ranting place ( and you've done plenty of it here, and formerly elsewhere ) then get a blog - take you 30 seconds with google to sort it out and bish-bash-bosh, you can lambast away to your hearts content If you want to have a discussion, then by all means do it here. Doug |
| Forum: Lunar Exploration · Post Preview: #41513 · Replies: 35 · Views: 42921 |
| Posted on: Feb 14 2006, 01:14 PM | |
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I think I know what feature you're refering to, but I think it's simply the edge of a ridge line, and not a small river channel as you're suggesting. The difference in brightness between various units can give a false impression of height I think. Doug |
| Forum: Spirit · Post Preview: #41506 · Replies: 15 · Views: 24544 |
| Posted on: Feb 14 2006, 12:43 PM | |
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For short bumps - they plan to stow it up high, in the hover position above the front of the left front solar array. But for longer drives, it seems the most sensible thing to do is to park it properly. It's a delicate balance - you have to do a lot of studying with the engineering model rovers on the ground to find out the very best way to do this sort of stuff. It's like good old Purgatory. Do NOTHING - make sure you understand the problem- don't make it worse by guessing a solution and trying it. They took a long time to find out what we all thought MIGHT be the answer - foot to the floor for two weeks - but they had to take the time to do the experiments on the ground to find out. The same is true here - they have to consider the arm - the danger of stowing it somewhere off-nominal, the risk of getting it forever stuck half-stowed, the potential for and risk of damage to arm, rover, isntruments, or all three. It's a very delicate, carefull procedure to find out the very best way to do something unusual. It's not like someone can go and give it a kick if it stops working. Doug |
| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #41504 · Replies: 690 · Views: 512126 |
| Posted on: Feb 14 2006, 10:53 AM | |
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6 years ago, I'd have signed up for a one way trip to Mars without thinking. But now, I have my significant other, my home, my cat, my job, and this place....too many things that I couldnt leave behind. Doug |
| Forum: Manned Spaceflight · Post Preview: #41498 · Replies: 16 · Views: 19762 |
| Posted on: Feb 14 2006, 10:28 AM | |
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That last image is indeed, a properly stowed IDD - look at the little metal bracket on the left - that's the normal position ahh - images out of sequence. Grr Doug |
| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #41491 · Replies: 690 · Views: 512126 |
| Posted on: Feb 14 2006, 08:01 AM | |
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It all sounds very exciting, but there's no money for it. I wouldnt call them the 'enemy' in any way shape or form. Certainly not for me anyway. Doug |
| Forum: Past and Future · Post Preview: #41476 · Replies: 28 · Views: 27551 |
| Posted on: Feb 13 2006, 07:50 PM | |
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It seems odd that all that was planned for Opportunity on sol 732 and Spirit on 753 were skyspots: pancam_sky_spot_L234567R34567. That's because that particular sequence is always scheduled first. You're talking about Sols that are yet to happen - other imaging will be added to that single sequence before that sols uplink if finished, but that one always appears first because it's a standard issue, out the book, monitoring sequence. The appearence of the Sky Spot sequence is actually a symptom of everything being fine. If there were something untoward, they'd drop it. Doug |
| Forum: Spirit · Post Preview: #41423 · Replies: 596 · Views: 350222 |
| Posted on: Feb 13 2006, 05:04 PM | |
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Because otherwise, NASA will go without manned access to space for a prolonged period - again. That is a situation that compromises it's already tarnished image in the eyes of the international partners. FWIW - the quicker the shuttle goes, the better. Doug |
| Forum: Exploration Strategy · Post Preview: #41402 · Replies: 65 · Views: 73163 |
| Posted on: Feb 13 2006, 04:05 PM | |
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Well - if you're fudging from really really good visual spectral data - then what more do you want? It's going to be more accurate than a Bayer filter anyway. I always have and always will use the word approximate before using the phrase true colour, as peoples perception of colour is different - however, I'd say it's fair to use the phrase Approximate True Colour if that's what the science team are suggesting. Doug |
| Forum: Titan · Post Preview: #41388 · Replies: 9 · Views: 10308 |
| Posted on: Feb 13 2006, 02:16 PM | |
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The word from JB is that the tracking site server crashed over the w'end (own up - who was it... Doug |
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