Rat-o-rama

Very smooth hole, and little berryage.

Doug

Oh that - quite clearly dirt deposition, particularly when you compare to actual frost.

Doug

Space Odyssey was all right, nothing great to be honest. You wont learn anything, but it's got some nice eye candy. at $15 I'd probably get it. There is a sibling program that highlight the missions from which much of the scientific basis for the program came from though.

Doug

I'm lost. The two I linked to are in the PC tracking page as part of that sequence you mentioned. The colour one I did is part of..
711 p2535.15 13 13 0 0 2 28 pancam_shadow_L234567Rall

Other than that - I'm not sure which particular images you mean.

Doug

Which ones?

Doug

http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/pa...02P2536L7M1.JPG
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/pa...02P2536R1M1.JPG

I think are both from that sequence - well they're both P2536 anyway

Doug

L2-L7 dodgy-merge of the nose print

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/pre.../20041213a.html



Doug

'Five spacecraft were sent to examine Halley’s Comet at its return in 1985: two Japanese (Suisei and Sakigake), two Russian (Vegas 1 and 2) and one European (Giotto). Giotto was launched 2 July 1985 and actually passed through the comet’s head, within 335 miles of the velvet black nucleus, obtaining 2,112 close-range images of it, until the probe was jolted by hitting a rice-grain sized dust particle. It revealed that the nucleus was an irregular lumpy potato-shaped object, 9.3 miles in length, and had a rotation period of 53 hours, with a 7.3-day rotational period around this axis. Its temperature on the side nearest the Sun was 47°C.

http://infoman16.tripod.com/Articles/halley.htm

Doug

A new image turnaround record?

http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/fo...B6P1212L0M1.JPG

At the time of posting, that image was taken 1hr 41 minutes ago.

Doug

If you read the end of the Squyres Q'n'A we discussed it - unlikely, but a post-script for a later edition is a possibility

Doug

Well - Opportunity did catch a pic of frost on the Sundial back at the turn of the year '04-'05

Doug

Not sure if there is, but I'm not going to find out the hard way

Doug

Because then it wont be the full story. Imainge if Chakin's excllent "From the Earth to the Moon" finished after Apollo 14.

Doug

When you read his site, it's fairly obvious what he's claiming Bill

"On this website you find true color images taken by the Panoramic Camera on each of the Marsrovers Spirit and Opportunity. This is how images would look like, if an astronaut on the surface of Mars took images with a 1 Megapixel digital camera and sent them back to Earth via a planet wide Internet. That means, the colors appear the same as the astronaut would see them."

To that end, he is wrong and intentionally missleading.

It this field, everyone knows what 'true colour' means - there is no ambiguity in his claim, and his claim is based on totally uncalibrated data, that can never ever be used to make any claims on what the colours on Mars are.

If his images were 'true colour' then the bottom of this image
http://areo.info/mer/spirit/708/tn/2P18922...L5L7L7.jpg.html
would be the same as the top of this image
http://areo.info/mer/spirit/708/tn/2P18922...L5L7L7.jpg.html

And it isnt.

Ditto all his images. He has a record of arguing that NASA has always had the issue wrong, so we know what his game is, and it's an unfortunate symptom of stretching all the images before putting the JPG's online that your average image is going to come out fairly blue. Bad Astronomy covers the issue well, and there is another website that does the same.

But he is claiming that imagery is true colour and it simply isnt. Fact. Dont try and defend the guy Bill, as I wont have his sort of misinformation being put forward as accurate in this place.

Doug

It's detail on his site, but basically the quick-dirty-JPGS ( wrong point to start as they're not calibrated ) and then some maths to merge the three channels slightly differently than a bog standard RGB - but the whole exercise is futile when you start with the JPG's anyway

Doug

Ahh - yes - the FR steering actuator..

Doug

It's a great site, but two problems...

1) MMB means I dont need to use a site that automates the colour

2) He claims all his images are true colour and they just are not. It's one thing to believe that you're making true colour if you're not, but it's another to tell everyone else that you're making true colour when you're not.

Usefull none the less, but I hate people claiming 'true colour' when it isnt Grrrr

Doug

I cant think what it might be - IMU perhaps?

Doug

Oh - I'm sure the Homeplate Pan will happen in full 360deg niceness

Doug

Does anyone realistically expect the ISS to be finished in 4 years? I cant believe that for a minute to be honest. I'd be happy to be suprised and see it happen, but I doubt it.




So what on earth was the point in the announcement then? Was it intentionally just a big fat lie? Who was he trying to kid? Himself? Congress? The US Public? To what end? Of course, he'll be out of Office just about the time when the bomb bursts. I guess his Dad did it, Regan did it - it must be written on the back of the Oval Office Toilet "dont forget to propose a new direction for space exploration without being prepared to pay for it"

Doug

I'm guessing...but...

711 p1212.07 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_haz_ultimate_2_bpp_pri15
711 p1214.05 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_hazcam_ultimate_4_bpp
711 p1311.03 0 0 0 0 0 0 ultimate_rear_hazcam_pri_15
711 p1950.05 0 0 0 0 0 0 navcam_mtes_AzEl_0_neg45_1bpp_pri57
711 p2111.05 0 0 0 0 0 0 pancam_cal_targ_L234567Rall
711 p2535.15 0 0 0 0 0 0 pancam_shadow_L234567Rall
711 p2536.15 0 0 0 0 0 0 pancam_gallant_knight_edgar_L234567Rall
711 p2600.07 0 0 0 0 0 0 pancam_tau
711 p2600.07 0 0 0 0 0 0 pancam_tau
711 p2631.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 pancam_sky_spot_L234567R34567
712 p0695.03 0 0 0 0 0 0 navcam_5x1_az_162_3_bpp
712 p1212.07 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_haz_ultimate_2_bpp_pri15
712 p1311.03 0 0 0 0 0 0 ultimate_rear_hazcam_pri_15
712 p1795.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 navcam_5x1_az_342_1_bpp
712 p2631.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 pancam_sky_spot_L234567R34567


711 back off from the current site, and image it. 712 Head off out the dunes and take imagery for 713 driving which will be SSW

Doug

I totally agree. NASA has to be seen to do everything it can to fullfill its obligations to them.

Put it this way. You hire a decorator to do your front room. You give him the new flooring, the paint. You come to see the finished work only to have the decorator hand you the unopened paint and the flooring and run out the door screaming. Would you use him again?


Doug

I wont do the full plaque graphics as there might well be a copyright issue there.

Doug

Ahh - fantastic, brilliant retro-renderings - that's quite usefull actually and I love those '60s style drawings

Doug