Huge thanks to the guys that helped transcribe this. I wanted to do something a bit better than just copy and pasting into a word document, or into a forum post - but I'm no graphic designer. Thank goodness for Publisher templates Hopefully the result something you'll all like. The odd bit I've edited just for the sake of readability - but it's 99.9% as on the audio.

Any Typos and Spelling errors, please write them down and....put them in the bin I've got bags to pack

Enjoy

Doug

Well, the site doesnt actually get mentioned (at least I dont think it does) - but Nov 11th was the busiest day in the sites history.

I'm not a big fan of K.C. - but the 'big' image also made it to..
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1075



Doug

That - or how much is it to Fed-Ex a horses head?



Doug

BUT - Genesis worked - most of the samples, and all of the critical ones, survived fine. There was a delay to, but no loss of science.

Minerva was a last minute thing iirc - given that JPL was devloping a rover for Muses C but cancelled on them.

Doug

We have one called Cruithne I believe - something like that

Doug

I think it's from that very imaging sequence that Emily posted a colour version of that I made this...

http://mer.rlproject.com/hs_wind.gif

Doug

I was ASTONISHED by the Sol 659 drive - you can not see two sets of tracks, they must have backed up straight over the orig ones...astonishing driving

Doug

Oh - bits of foil can and do flap about on mars - infact one of the L234567 sequences taken of the Heatshield shows a bit of foil flapping about

Doug

He has phases, 6 months ago it was the Discovery program on the recieving end - despite giving us Deep Impact, NEAR, Pathfinder, Genesis, Stardust, Lunar Prospector and Messenger, and only one total failure, Contour.

I'll probably be ESA next, not sure what the angle will be though

Doug

Actually - it IS what it would look like with human eyes - to the best of the scientists knowledge.

They HAVE done the calculation using L2 + L5 to get L4 - believe me a panorama done with straight L256 looks utterly utterly horrible and nothing like the Athena release at all

Doug

Because it give a lot more spectral variation to the scene - you get SO much more information from an L2 image than an L4 image. L4 images look very flat, with little of high contrast.




They've not said true colour. They've said APPROXIMATELY true colour. You can 'emulate' an L4-like filter using L2 and L5. Infact Bjorn has done the maths to do just that, and the two are very very very similar indeed. The end resulting mosaic is very little different - if at all - than if it had been taken with L456 instead of L256 - but in taking the L2 channel, they get a lot more information, and a better 3D terrain mesh as there are more feature to co-register between frames.





The pink chip is a well documented, well explained result of the near IR response of that colour pigment - it's a specific feature of that chip - http://www.atsnn.com/story/30048.html explains it very well indeed.

Doug

And they've achieved much of what NEAR achieved on much less money. That deserves a lot of credit.

Doug

Didnt know it was more up to date - also didnt know it was 3d

I'm getting it now

Doug

I know that they're slowly increasing all the storage for Gmail - it used to be a gig, then 2 gig, and now it just grows with time. Perhaps the same is true of attachments?


I dont use Google Earth - I just use Google Maps -

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=32%C2%B0+9&#...19406&t=k&hl=en
I think is where you mean -it's an amazing place. I saw a documentary by Jeremy Clarkson about it once - trashing B52's with concrete blocks. Hundreds of Harriers, F15's, 16's - just about anything you'd want - enough to arm an entire nation... - go down and right a little from that link - and you can see B52's - Unbroken and Broken in rows.

This place amazes me as well

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.042637,-...64334&t=k&hl=en


Doug

Unfortunately, I dont have a the words to express the joy of the past few weeks waiting for this - but it's been awesome, particularly with Ken, Bernhard and Marco - all working as a team

It's the 'cheekiest' Navcam mosaic I've seen done - using imagery from Left and Right cameras to 'patch up' where the perspective caused the LGA to 'rip' half way down, but the end result is something we're all proud of.

Cool isnt it

Doug

Could be simulated with Orbiter if you knew the right info.

Thinking out loud - how much of it might it thru to the surface - perhaps the prop tanks ( Delta II 2nd stage prop tanks make it to the ground here on earth ) - but not a lot else I'd imagine.

Doug

Very bad google from that PDF and two images from it.
Inquiry robot " Minerva ", at the time of the 2nd rehearsal November 12th, " is quick the ぶ ", empty separation The れ it increased. When separating as for the probe the thruster injection in order to compensate gravity repeatedly difficult to be, meet on Because separation is executed at the point in time when it had degree of speeding up, regrettable as for the る thing which drops " Minerva " to the I To matte surface it is the pattern which it is not possible. Furthermore as for details it is in the midst of investigating. After the separating, " Minerva " while turning, with the process which keeps being discharged, " is quick the ぶ ", the color photographing stripe it is to do. (Data? 1) In the picture, " it is quick the ぶ ", ()" the metallic parts of panel B-1 spreading/displaying opening delay mechanism of the + Y surface side solar panel of the probe (the hook)" with, the electrical instrumentation line of reverse side of the solar array board is photographed. フッ As for ク, (data? 2) It is inside 0 on the plan, as for this electrical instrumentation line being something of the same solar array, (resources charge? 3) It is possible to collating & to verify with the photograph which is in the midst of servicing before the launching. In addition, (data? 4) " It is quick the ぶ ", after the empty separating it was photographed with the wide angular navigation camera 212 seconds later, the object which is thought " ミ Nerva " is shown. " Minerva " after the separating thinks rise was continued from the I To matte slowly, but " it is quick the ぶ ", With communication, 18 hours continuing, to be guaranteed in stability, at this time, temperature and power source voltage the inside " Minerva ", The photodiode which shows the attitude of the inquiry robot (the simple sun sensor) output and the like is transmitted to the probe, " It is quick the ぶ ", it has succeeded in transmitting to the ground via. (Data? 5) The う of the data which is obtained Furthermore as for the ち temperature data after the separating the for the sake of rises, receives the thermal radiation from the I To matte surface thought And others the れ, there is a possibility the measurement which has meaning even scientifically being possible. 18 hours later, direction of antenna There is a possibility communication becoming impossible with problem of direction, but furthermore continuing, the plan which tries the contact Is. In addition, " it is quick the ぶ ", concerning the order to of empty " Minerva ", change of function the communication which is ordered is done normally, it is verified that also the operation which receives that is executed appropriately. The data which " Minerva " transmitted, 1) status (working condition in the midst of hopping and in the midst of et cetera standing still), 2) the Ha mortar keeping data (), 3) measurement data such as power source voltage of the electric double layer condenser and the memory capacity which is recorded (photodiode output and the temperature sensor), 4) is the graphics data. ("Minerva ", 6 photodiodes and 10 temperature sensors (inside 4, outside 6) has loaded 3 cameras.)

The point where voltage has fallen separated point in time (the changing to " Minerva " side supply) the signal from photodiode (shows the fact that the attitude " of Minerva " is turning from the inquiry field.) C) the temperature rise which leads separation " is quick the ぶ ", it is thought the for the sake of because it approaches to the asteroid the rose ンス of heat balance changes with thermal radiation from the surface.

That's the whole lot - I'll try and get it put together nicely before I head out to Spain!

Doug

We all know where you mean by the other place, but to be fair, as the 'out there' discussions go, it's probably the most sensible of them. A few utter loonies, but a few people who have atypical theories yet present them in a reasonable way.

Problem is - you cant do that sort of discussion at the same time as more mainstream discussions - the two are mutually exclusive. I spent far too long learning that.

Doug

Pancam really really forshortens the perspective. I have a Pancam Anaglyph that makes the area around Larrys Lookout look > 45 deg, when it's more like 10

Doug

No - I mean the sort of analysis that takes JPG noise and infers is something else It's the staple diet of the hoaglanderati.

Doug

I think the 'attracting kooks via google' thing is a lost cause anyway - we talk about mars, spacecraft, rocks, we're going to flag up on Google with those sorts of things.

So to flag things up because they might attract kookiness (instead of actually being it) isnt a fair judgement - on that basis we might as well delete every MER image on the whole forum. And all the Cassini imagery. And the Viking. Actually- we might as well pack up and go home.

This discussion itself remains an interesting one, but isnt in the realm of kookiness in so far as no one is suggesting vast martian civilisations and all that garbage. Infact, if someone stumbles across this thread, it's a good thing - we've explained what it is - a discared piece of the entry system. It's also good because it actually shows what an artificial feature looks like on mars - they stand out rather well. So this thread is informative in a good way.

However - if people have issues with particular threads - it's no use saying "there's more kookie threads" - you have to tell me which threads. I cant read everything here anymore, it's too big. I have things to do like eat, sleep, work. If you think a thread, or particular posts or a particular poster are crossing the line, then tell me, specifically.

One poster has just returned from a 30 day account suspension for it, one ex member remains banned from the site all together, as does his IP address from the entire domain. I am perfectly prepared to take strong, rapid action where necessary - but I'm not going to delete every thread that says Face, Feature or Fossil

I have a metaphorical benchmark in my mind. If I see a post and I can imagine copy and pasting it to an anolmalists website, then it's over the line. To date - despite >1.6 million thread views - no one has started posting a verbose analysis of JPG noise. When that happens - myself and the mod team have a big bat marked "OUT" ready to go.

Doug

It's not his rock, it's Anne Franks

Doug

Hayabusa's goal is to return a sample from an Asteroid. It is not a failure yet.

http://www.jaxa.jp/missions/result/rocket-result_e.html
Not all "ridiculously bungled" as you insist.

Given the budget, Hayabusa's achieved astonishing things already.

Doug

I find it a bit dissapointing that the flatfield/darkfield work etc hasnt already been applied to Cassini imagery as it has with MER imagery that gets on the PDS as RAD's

Doug