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djellison
Posted on: May 20 2013, 04:03 AM


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Yup - hats off to that one smile.gif
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Posted on: May 20 2013, 03:58 AM


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QUOTE (serpens @ May 19 2013, 04:13 PM) *
Opportunity can go down in history as the slowest ever rover in terms of distance /time. huh.gif


You could make up a million different statistics all pretty much as meaningless as the next. Distance travelled vs average distance from earth. Distance travelled per KG of vehicle mass. Number of individual drives. Number of locations visited. Total longevity etc etc etc

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Posted on: May 19 2013, 05:31 AM


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QUOTE (serpens @ May 18 2013, 08:42 PM) *
How many ways need this be said before the subject is dropped?


Seemingly we're not done yet. Insert heavy to industrial strength 'sigh' here.
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Posted on: May 19 2013, 01:15 AM


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QUOTE (testguru @ May 18 2013, 01:57 PM) *
Given the level of damage observed so far on the rover wheels and the small distance traveled, if you linearly extrapolate future damage vs distance traveled, how far can the rover drive before a wheel fails?


Further than the rover will ever drive. Period.
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Posted on: May 18 2013, 04:04 PM


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Wonder who took those. ph34r.gif

And the wheels got a lot worse than that before they were replaced. A LOT worse.

Worst one at that point looks to be the middle right - rips and tears all over it
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Posted on: May 17 2013, 10:01 PM


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QUOTE (mcaplinger @ May 17 2013, 01:50 PM) *
AKAIK the "tire" is one piece of NC-machined aluminum, the hub is titanium, and the two are connected together with titanium flexures.


That's exactly what I've heard from the team - and what it looks like having held a few spare wheels.
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Posted on: May 17 2013, 09:47 PM


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QUOTE (0101Morpheus @ May 17 2013, 02:33 PM) *
But for Cyngus, wouldn't it be helpful to the Kepler team to analyze their data as soon as possible? They could have already found an earth already but would not have decoded it yet. Once you know something is there it becomes a lot easier to find again. That is a theme that I found reoccurs a lot in astronomy.


These planets are not going anywhere. I'm sure the science team will want to get the data processed quickly - but unlike finding and asteroid or comet for the first time ....we know where these planets are. Unlike an asteroid or comet discovery - these planets do not have to be 'found' again once disocvered. We know where they are.
  Forum: Telescopic Observations · Post Preview: #200224 · Replies: 1264 · Views: 731478

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Posted on: May 17 2013, 09:36 PM


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QUOTE (Ant103 @ May 16 2013, 07:59 AM) *
It can't be


It is. That 'hole' is a dent, the stress of the dent has popped the anodized coating off the inside of the wheel and we have bare aluminum reflecting the sun. That dent isn't in shadow. Those that are can reflect the bright martian sky off them. Just because something is in shadow - it doesn't mean it can't 'see the sky'.

Look at it - it's not even the same color as the terrain behind it.

And even if it IS punctured - it doesn't matter.

Once of the test-bed rovers at JPL had flight like wheels whilst dealing with 3x the effective weight of a real rover. The wheels were punctured, dent ridden, ripped, torn, dinged, bashed, smashed, crunched. You could put your finger thru the holes in places - you could see clean thru them.

And they still worked absolutely fine.

That testbed now has tougher wheels simply to deal with terrestrial gravity. The lightweight scarecrow rover has flightlike wheels.

I'm not sure how long it's going to take until saying 'the wheels are fine' before it gets boring. Infact, I think it might already have passed.
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Posted on: May 17 2013, 06:38 PM


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QUOTE (Gerald @ May 17 2013, 04:06 AM) *
the action seems to tilt the rover a bit.


As well it might - they preload with quite a force.
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Posted on: May 17 2013, 06:32 AM


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QUOTE (dvandorn @ May 16 2013, 06:03 PM) *
Kepler did prove that the concept works. We can detect planets via the transit method.


COROT, WASP, OGLE, SWEEPS, even the amateur built HATNet all proved that the concept works long before Kepler was launched.

Kepler has discovered many Exoplanets....but it certainly didn't 'prove' the concept - we already knew it worked - Kepler would never have been funded if we hadn't have already known that.
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Posted on: May 16 2013, 02:05 PM


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QUOTE (MahFL @ May 16 2013, 03:12 AM) *
Your going to have to regularly reassure us.....


If the rover is still roving, such reassurance is utterly redundant.
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Posted on: May 16 2013, 03:18 AM


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QUOTE (dtolman @ May 15 2013, 07:14 PM) *
If they can't fix it, then its game over for its primary planet hunting mission


Actually - given that primary means something specific in spaceflight - it's important to note that it's primary planet hunting mission was 3.5 years - it exceeded that and was already in an extended mission.
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Posted on: Apr 25 2013, 02:03 PM


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QUOTE (Gerald @ Apr 25 2013, 05:14 AM) *
Don't they add CRC32 or CRC64 checksums to the code blocks to be shure that only correctly transmitted commands will be executed, with a fallback strategy in case the command sequence is corrupted?


If you look at the Descanso website I linked to above, you will find all the details you could want regarding DSN protocols.

However- even error checking/correction does not solve the problem. You radiate a command load - the spacecraft identifies it as 'bad'. That command load could have been very important - it could have been something to prevent the spacecraft doing something to harm itself in someway . If the spacecraft doesn't accept it - you are quite probably in a worse situation. You radiate commands because you want the spacecraft to do something. Imagine the MSL side-B swop, or MER-B flash anomaly - but with the added complexity of unreliable communications.

There is a less obvious benefit of this strategy - conjunction offers up an opportunity for spacecraft operations teams to have a little down time. It's very very hard for a lot of flight-ops people to find time for vacations etc. Projects also can not afford enough personel to staff up enough to have redundancy for every job required on the mission. Conjunction offers a chance for people to catch up on other responsibilities, or take a well earned break.
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Posted on: Apr 24 2013, 11:26 PM


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QUOTE (ngunn @ Apr 24 2013, 01:23 PM) *
You read the British tabloids?


Millions and millions of people do, all over the world - and they believe what they read.

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Posted on: Apr 24 2013, 06:49 AM


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It's simply a case of reliability. You do not want to uplink commands only for the vehicle to not receive them properly and thus throw itself into an X-Band fault or other safe mode.

This document on MRO : http://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/DPSummary/MRO_092106.pdf : states

"An X-band link using BPSK begins to degrade near a 2-deg SEP angle."


On DS1 : http://descanso.jpl.nasa.gov/DPSummary/All_Article2.pdf

"For DS1, X-band up- and downlink, we considered an angle of 5 deg as the minimum at which to expect no degradation, and 3 deg as the minimum at which reliable communications could be planned. From October 20 to December 3, 2000, the angle was less than 5 deg, and from October 29 to November 25 it was less than 3 deg. The minimum angle was less than 0.5 deg during a scheduled pass on November 14, 2000. The 11-year solar cycle was near its maximum"
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Posted on: Apr 18 2013, 11:14 PM


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QUOTE (remcook @ Apr 18 2013, 09:57 AM) *
A decade ago this would not have been imagined


Isn't this exactly what would have been imagined? Isn't this exactly why Kepler was built? To find these planets?


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Posted on: Apr 17 2013, 05:56 PM


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Looks like very ordinary, regular flat-field maneuvers. They've done them many many times in the past.

Confirmed...
QUOTE (@NASA_SDO)
We are doing calibrations so our data looks a little off center right now! http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/data


https://twitter.com/NASA_SDO/status/324554290259709953
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Posted on: Apr 15 2013, 02:13 PM


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QUOTE (Mr Valiant @ Apr 15 2013, 06:47 AM) *
Could the dark spot to the left of the probable lander be the PropM Rover?


The rover was tiny - absolutely tiny. Sojourner was 65 x 48cm and its location is debatable in HiRISE imagery. PropM 21 x 16cm - less than 1/8th the 'surface area' seen from above.

I think using the word 'probable' on locating something <1/2 the size of a HiRISE pixel is a stretch, at best.
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Posted on: Apr 14 2013, 06:22 PM


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QUOTE (bobik @ Apr 14 2013, 09:52 AM) *
I do not consider this a plausible theory.


It's more than plausible. Consider the original Cassini-Huygens plan. 4 minutes of relay after touchdown. Read the rest of the Mars 3 plan - they were expecting the orbiter to be back relaying a few hours later.....just like, say MGS -> Odyssey after the MER landings.
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Posted on: Apr 10 2013, 01:52 PM


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QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Apr 9 2013, 10:31 PM) *
Cosine losses for these small angles are pretty negligible, of course (e.g., cos(10) is 0.98).


Good point - I was only inspired to mentioned it because the paper you linked to does use the phrases "The solar arrays were enlarged to allow a “gull-wing” design..." before going on to talk about CP/CG etc.
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Posted on: Apr 10 2013, 05:10 AM


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QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Apr 9 2013, 08:03 PM) *
My guess: So they can be as long as possible and still fit in the fairing?


They have hinges. Fitting isn't a problem. Indeed - having them at the angle they are means they must be BIGGER to provide equivilent power margin compared to entirely 'flat' arrays.

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Also, no solar cells are on the bent portions so nothing to do with power


The very first hit for a Google image search of 'MAVEN solar panel' (and indeed every artists impression of MAVEN ever released) shows that there are indeed solar cells on the angled panel

http://lasp.colorado.edu/home/maven/files/...solar_panel.jpg
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Posted on: Apr 8 2013, 01:32 PM


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QUOTE (stone @ Apr 7 2013, 11:34 PM) *
A lander mission without camera is not a mission.


Yes it is. Not all spacecraft can, should or must carry cameras. Would it be nice to take a more modern imaging suite to the surface of Venus? Obviously.

There is still huge quantities of science to be done without one, however.
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QUOTE (marsophile @ Apr 5 2013, 09:39 AM) *
and has artificial lighting


It has a few LED's on it's microscope.....not headlamps.

And Fredk rightly stated - communication would be a problem ( as would the thermal environment )

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Posted on: Apr 4 2013, 03:51 PM


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If only someone had already animated it smile.gif

http://twitpic.com/c5eytt

Spirit's parachute has also moved in the past. Sadly, not enough observations at Meridiani to see if that's moved as well sad.gif
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Posted on: Mar 30 2013, 05:17 PM


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To put MAHLI close enough for the LED's to help, would be to obstruct the hole from ChemCam

But - I'm sure they'll MAHLI with LED it before we leave
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