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| Forum: Important Announcements · Post Preview: #265136 · Replies: 69 · Views: 22059 |
| Posted on: Dec 4 2024, 05:40 PM | |
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I don't know the orbit mechanics of whether a direct flight if launched now could beat Clipper to Jupiter (or whether Starship could propel a large enough craft with fuel to be interesting). The OP can find many kindred spirits extolling the world-changing aspects of Starship over at https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/ I'll make a couple of points, but bear in mind that I am old and jaded: 1) launch vehicle costs are typically only a small fraction of total mission costs. Despite its success, Falcon 9 has not substantially changed the science mission landscape so far. F9 is far from free, it's at best half the cost of alternatives and usually not that good for a NASA mission. 2) AFAIK the current Starship architecture can't get out of Earth orbit with a reasonable payload without refueling from multiple tankers, so it's not very suitable for traditional mission architectures. Enthusiasts have proposed various solutions for upper stages (generically called "Starkicker") but whether that ever materializes is anyone's guess. |
| Forum: Jupiter · Post Preview: #265111 · Replies: 86 · Views: 82014 |
| Posted on: Dec 2 2024, 04:12 PM | |
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EC most definitely is essential to provide the best achievable decision data needed before designing & greenlighting any surface mission. Useful, yes, but essential? A fair amount of effort was spent a few years ago to design a Europa lander that would fly shortly after Clipper and use some of its data, but not rely on it for basic design. See "Science Goals and Mission Architecture of the Europa Lander Mission Concept" https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/PSJ/ac4493 especially section 5.4, which explicitly states how far we have come since Viking. Of course, the political backing and then the funding for this was lost, making it a moot point, and I wouldn't hold my breath for a Europa lander until after Clipper now. |
| Forum: Jupiter · Post Preview: #265102 · Replies: 86 · Views: 82014 |
| Posted on: Dec 1 2024, 07:03 PM | |
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A lingering curiosity for me was, how does Europa Clipper facilitate the next mission at Europa? The cynic in me would suggest that such considerations are at best rationalizations to argue for money, and that Clipper was merely the best mission that could be done with the available funding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetlight_effect |
| Forum: Jupiter · Post Preview: #265097 · Replies: 86 · Views: 82014 |
| Posted on: Nov 30 2024, 11:58 PM | |
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From my biased perspective, the forum's zenith was reached during the first two imaging orbits of Juno -- go back and read those threads and the excitement is palpable: http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showtopic=8236 and http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showtopic=8245 The Junocam team was somewhat prepared to process images when we got into Jupiter orbit in 2016, but the level of expertise and perseverance shown by the amateur community was, TBH, a total surprise to us. It's completely fair to say that the public interest in Junocam images was almost entirely due to amateur processing: the three covers of SCIENCE with Junocam images all involved amateurs (see https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/t...-imaging-career ) Shoutouts to Gerald, John, Roman, Bjorn, Eli, Brian, Kevin, Matt, and all the other tireless image processors whose efforts really made Junocam shine! |
| Forum: UMSF Legacy · Post Preview: #265093 · Replies: 13 · Views: 2085 |
| Posted on: Nov 22 2024, 04:25 PM | |
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"Titan had been called the most colorful world in the Solar System -- not excluding Earth; if the sunlight had been more powerful, it would have been positively garish." -- Arthur C. Clarke, IMPERIAL EARTH, Chapter 10 Unfortunately I think Clarke's ideas have been rendered obsolete by Huygens, but I guess we'll see. |
| Forum: Saturn · Post Preview: #265036 · Replies: 221 · Views: 326372 |
| Posted on: Nov 22 2024, 01:21 AM | |
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Unfortunately, given the distance and lack of relay, it won't be the bounty of images from the Mars rovers. Well, it depends. Certainly I would expect a lot more use of data compression than we typically need from Mars, where nearly every image is sent lossless. And of course Dragonfly will have some geometric limitations on what it can image from a given location, just because all of the cameras are fixed. I'm not sure what the data rates one can expect from the current design are, but https://dragonfly.jhuapl.edu/News-and-Resou...4_03-Lorenz.pdf suggests the data return would be something like 10 GB per year - that's roughly 10,000 5 Mpixel Dragoncam images compressed 5:1, not that shabby. Alas, this forum won't be around in 10 years to see any of this. |
| Forum: Saturn · Post Preview: #265031 · Replies: 221 · Views: 326372 |
| Posted on: Nov 21 2024, 11:28 PM | |
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Though I could do without the animated GIFs… You haven't used the Mars2020 internal team Mattermost -- if discord bothers you, MM is much much worse See Calvin Kasulke, "Several People Are Typing" https://www.npr.org/2021/08/28/1031965187/-...k-at-the-office |
| Forum: Important Announcements · Post Preview: #265028 · Replies: 69 · Views: 22059 |
| Posted on: Nov 21 2024, 04:52 PM | |
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It's a real shame we don't have the people to migrate to and maintain phpBB/simple machines/whatever. Honestly, while it would be wonderful to migrate everything seamlessly to a new forum, preserving all existing content, that's very difficult. And given that a lot of the time people ask the same questions over and over anyway, how much are we really losing by not having that going forward? (Completely agreed that preserving the historical record is important, but don't conflate the two problems.) The thing that set this place apart is the well-defined set of ground rules and the aggressive moderation to enforce them. Setting up a forum is easy, maintaining that standard of quality is much harder. |
| Forum: Important Announcements · Post Preview: #265023 · Replies: 69 · Views: 22059 |
| Posted on: Nov 13 2024, 12:23 AM | |
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"The anomalous state of Uranus’s magnetosphere during the Voyager 2 flyby", Jasinski et al, https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-024-02389-3 QUOTE The Voyager 2 flyby of Uranus in 1986 revealed an unusually oblique and off-centred magnetic field. This single in situ measurement has been the basis of our interpretation of Uranus’s magnetosphere as the canonical extreme magnetosphere of the solar system; with inexplicably intense electron radiation belts and a severely plasma-depleted magnetosphere. However, the role of external forcing by the solar wind has rarely been considered in explaining these observations. Here we revisit the Voyager 2 dataset to show that Voyager 2 observed Uranus’s magnetosphere in an anomalous, compressed state that we estimate to be present less than 5% of the time. |
| Forum: Uranus and Neptune · Post Preview: #264968 · Replies: 3 · Views: 1471 |
| Posted on: Nov 8 2024, 12:13 AM | |
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I'm also going to reach out to the server hosts to asks if they can snapshot the entire system and send it to me in some way come the shutdown at the end of Dec. Thanks, Doug. For what it's worth, if you want to archive everything that a particular member has written, you can search for that user using "find member's posts", take the resulting URL, and write a simple script to guery for the URL with an "st=N" at the end where N=i*25 (since the search only shows 25 items at a time) over as large a range as you need. For example: CODE echo a | awk '{for(i=0;i<250;i++) print "wget \"http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php? act=Search&nav=au&CODE=show&searchid=a3ee0c223f8599e24109a060992cd99e &search_in=posts&result_type=posts&hl=&st=" i*25 "\""}' | sh That gets you every message in HTML form with a whole bunch of extra stuff, but it's better than nothing if you want to save someone's pearls of wisdom for posterity. |
| Forum: Important Announcements · Post Preview: #264934 · Replies: 69 · Views: 22059 |
| Posted on: Nov 7 2024, 05:40 PM | |
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I've found a couple of forum scraping tools, https://nrsyed.github.io/proboards-scraper/html/index.html and https://github.com/mikwielgus/forum-dl , that seem to be able to read this board's format. But for various Python versioning reasons I haven't been able to get either of them to work on my system. What are the prospects of doing a forum backup looking like? |
| Forum: Important Announcements · Post Preview: #264932 · Replies: 69 · Views: 22059 |
| Posted on: Oct 18 2024, 09:33 PM | |
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There's no shortage of available forum software and hosting services, it's the porting of the existing content that's an issue. Using another obsolete system doesn't seem like much of an improvement. My impression is that there's no interest in setting up and moderating a new forum, regardless of platform, even if the existing content is not migrated. |
| Forum: Important Announcements · Post Preview: #264808 · Replies: 69 · Views: 22059 |
| Posted on: Oct 8 2024, 11:36 PM | |
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If I understand correctly, launching at the start (or end) of the launch window usually requires slightly more fuel for trajectory corrections (esp. long burns like deep space maneuvers). Usually the optimum is in the middle of the launch period (more or less by definition), but I haven't seen any quantitative discussion of this specific case. See https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20160008162 for an old analysis of the 2021/2022 launch periods -- that 2021 launch was from 15 Nov to 5 Dec and optimal was 24 Nov. It's typically a small, probably negligible, difference. |
| Forum: Jupiter · Post Preview: #264729 · Replies: 86 · Views: 82014 |
| Posted on: Oct 3 2024, 12:39 AM | |
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At the very least, a dump of all the attachments and the fairly modest sized SQL DB that drives the place are easy 'gets' which I would zip up and throw on archive.org - you're right that their waybackmachine snapshots are marginal at best. I came here in 2005 after the egroups lists "ISSDG" started dying (presumably after Yahoo bought them). Just for fun I tried to see what I could find from that list on archive.org, but since it was private there's no content, only metadata, even if you look at CSV and tar files. So all of that content is presumably "lost in time, like tears in rain." It'd be nice to do better than that, but these forums that have dynamic content are typically hard to archive. |
| Forum: Important Announcements · Post Preview: #264678 · Replies: 69 · Views: 22059 |
| Posted on: Oct 2 2024, 05:41 PM | |
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I've wondered about NSF whether any of the planetary science threads are paywalled. I don't know what happens in the paywalled "L2" area but I don't know of anything specific to planetary. From what's implied, people posting there, if they have real inside information, are breaking their project rules of the road at a minimum, if they're not guilty of actual ITAR/EAR violations. IMHO even some of the stuff posted in the public areas (by one NASA insider in particular) is skirting the rules. So in that regard it's a good source of information, although the SNR is extremely low (mostly from fanboys of a company with X in its name). I've more or less given up posting there (pearls before swine, as they say.) YMMV. |
| Forum: UMSF Legacy · Post Preview: #264667 · Replies: 41 · Views: 12933 |
| Posted on: Oct 2 2024, 01:17 AM | |
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We will attempt to archive the forum as best we can around the beginning of December and upload it to archive.org... Let me know if there's anything I can help with in that regard. AFAIK archive.org can't/doesn't crawl into any forum topic so everything currently there is pretty useless (top-level topic links you can't navigate into.) |
| Forum: Important Announcements · Post Preview: #264640 · Replies: 69 · Views: 22059 |
| Posted on: Sep 9 2024, 10:22 PM | |
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Here's a quick edit of the specifics about the MOSFETs from the automatically-generated captions from the today's press conference. Any errors not part of the autogeneration are mine. QUOTE As soon as we had learned that there might be an issue with our transistors, which was back at the beginning of May at JPL, we moved quickly as a project and as a lab and agency with our partners as well to quickly analyze the risks and conduct tests. [We] generated tremendous amount of data. We know a lot about the the Jupiter radiation environment from previous NASA missions including the current Juno Mission which is at Jupiter right now. We completed extensive testing to validate the transistors on the spacecraft. We ran tests 24 hours a day over the last four months at multiple locations at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, at the Applied Physics Laboratory and at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. We simulated flight like conditions to illuminate any issues that the transistors might have over our four-year science Mission across the variety of applications we have on the spacecraft. We put these representative transistors into these environments, radiated entire circuits and to see how the system behaves and not just the transistors themselves. We looked at transistor temperatures while the spacecraft was outside of Jupiter's most intense radiation environment to determine how much recovery we might be able to get from these transistors while we're not in that intense radiation environment. After each flyby we've replicated that transistor self-healing, or annealing as it's called, that occurs by heating them to room temperature while they they essentially rest far from that intense radiation environment as we go around each orbit of Jupiter before [coming back to] Europa again. The underlying issue was that there was a gap in how industry qualifies the kind of hardware like MOSFETS for high radiation environments. The parts in question, the semiconductor in the transistors are cut from silicon wafers and those silicon wafers met the radiation hardness requirements that we needed, but then those semiconductor Wafers degraded while in storage. We concluded after all of this testing um that during our orbits around Jupiter while Europa Clipper does dip into the radiation environment, once it comes out it comes out long enough for those transistors the opportunity to heal and partially recover between flybys. we're going to continue to closely monitor the both the radiation environment we have a radiation monitor on board as well as the performance of the transistors from the ground once we are in flight and once we arrive at the Jupiter system to accomplish this. we've received help from many corners including the vendor. the vendor's been immensely proactive and helpful throughout all of our work. To reiterate what's already been said we can and I have very high confidence, and the data bears it out, complete the original mission which is 49 flybys of Europa and amounts to 80 orbits of Jupiter... As Jordan said, they have margin and we have no reason to to expect anything other than a great four years and an extended mission beyond that. |
| Forum: Jupiter · Post Preview: #264520 · Replies: 86 · Views: 82014 |
| Posted on: Aug 28 2024, 09:50 PM | |
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Analysis of the results suggests the transistors can support the baseline mission I guess that's good news, but generally I don't use words like "suggests" or "baseline" for an unambiguously favorable result. It would be unfortunate if there's no chance of an extended mission because of this (of course, I don't know what the prospects for an extended mission were to begin with.) Maybe this is just expectation management, I can sympathize. |
| Forum: Jupiter · Post Preview: #264448 · Replies: 86 · Views: 82014 |
| Posted on: Aug 23 2024, 05:23 PM | |
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I see also that that source tested uncharged electromagnetic radiation while the Jupiter environment has charged particles, including of masses that you'd rarely see on Earth. And one of the hazards of the jovian environment is that sustained dosage of charged particles can cause charge buildup, and destructive discharge arcs. Most electronics respond quite similarly to gamma ray exposure and charged-particle exposure, but gamma ray testing is much easier to do since you can use a Co60 source that just sits there and pumps out gamma rays. There are exceptions, typically optoelectronics, but most parts can be meaningfully tested with gamma. Spacecraft charging is fairly easy to deal with, see "Mitigating In-Space Charging Effects-A Guideline" https://standards.nasa.gov/standard/nasa/nasa-hdbk-4002 Admittedly the jovian environment is an extreme case but Juno hasn't had any charging issues I'm aware of. |
| Forum: Jupiter · Post Preview: #264416 · Replies: 86 · Views: 82014 |
| Posted on: Aug 22 2024, 07:34 PM | |
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Images now all on missionjuno. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #264408 · Replies: 6 · Views: 3997 |
| Posted on: Aug 22 2024, 06:08 PM | |
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For the news to raise that concern about the MOSFETs, followed by weeks without an update seems like a disconnect, at least as far as communications go. It is a little surprising that there hasn't been an update. Speaking only from my experience, many parts are sensitive not only to the total radiation dose but also the dose rate (see, for example, "Dose-Rate Sensitivity of 65-nm MOSFETs Exposed to Ultrahigh Doses" https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8340851 ) Since vendors can only test at a limited number of dose rates, and it's very difficult to predict what the actual dose rates experienced in flight will be, this may be difficult to nail down as well as one might like. A part could be fine at one dose rate and fail much sooner at another. |
| Forum: Jupiter · Post Preview: #264407 · Replies: 86 · Views: 82014 |
| Posted on: Aug 1 2024, 12:54 AM | |
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Apparently this was released in a limited fashion, and then the distribution company went out of business, and the rights were bought by another company. And then there was a protracted legal battle which has just now been resolved according to a post I saw on Facebook. Did anyone ever see it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Saturn%27s_Rings is quite out of date. |
| Forum: Chit Chat · Post Preview: #264303 · Replies: 5 · Views: 22366 |
| Posted on: Jul 20 2024, 12:47 AM | |
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| Forum: Past and Future · Post Preview: #264227 · Replies: 579 · Views: 574531 |
| Posted on: Jul 20 2024, 12:44 AM | |
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Couldn't find anything not paywalled, but https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2024-...or-jpl-has-died Pete was the chairman for the first MS98 design review we had. We didn't pass completely but didn't deserve to, and the instruments turned out better for it. |
| Forum: Mars · Post Preview: #264226 · Replies: 3 · Views: 16606 |
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