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| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262439 · Replies: 103 · Views: 64038 |
| Posted on: Dec 31 2023, 12:21 AM | |
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First Io image is up on social media, e.g., https://www.facebook.com/NASASolarSystem/ missionjuno data post to follow shortly. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262433 · Replies: 103 · Views: 64038 |
| Posted on: Dec 24 2023, 04:10 AM | |
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| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262385 · Replies: 103 · Views: 64038 |
| Posted on: Dec 23 2023, 11:22 PM | |
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We're less than a week out from the Io flyby. The first Junocam image should be taken at 2023-364T08:37:21 +/- 15s and the first four images are at 60s spacing. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262383 · Replies: 103 · Views: 64038 |
| Posted on: Dec 20 2023, 05:16 PM | |
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If they have to order custom tools just to open those two screws, I'm not surprised it's taking this long. Based on the photos, the screws on the periphery look like Phillips Torq-set ® screw heads. https://www.phillips-screw.com/drive_systems/torq-set/ Not what I would have used, but I'm sure this was carefully considered. I'd love to know how they've tried to remove these, what state the screw heads are currently in, what state the bits they were using are currently in, and what they are actually planning to do next. Are they making new bits, or making a new wrench, or both? Having been involved in projects that busted off a screw head in a piece of flight hardware a time or two (never personally, thank goodness) if you thought you might get contamination from the bit, you'll get even more when you have to drill into the screw head to remove it. [added because I can't resist: if the Scoop-VII capsule in The Andromeda Strain had been this hard to open, the movie would have been much shorter. |
| Forum: OSIRIS-REx · Post Preview: #262364 · Replies: 209 · Views: 188863 |
| Posted on: Dec 20 2023, 04:33 PM | |
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I saw this a few weeks back--I believe from NASA. Not something kept quiet. They switched to lifting the flaps and scooping it out. https://blogs.nasa.gov/osiris-rex/2023/10/2...mass-milestone/ from October 20. I think the only value-added that Giz is providing is getting some sort of timetable statement out of NASA PAO ("we anticipate it will be opened in the first quarter of 2024"). https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-03978-4 has a bit more recent info from AGU. I sympathize with the PR problem NASA is having; almost everyone has experience with a balky screw and taking months to resolve it seems like a glacial pace. I thought I saw an article that tried to link the drogue chute snafu with the stuck screws, but I'm not sure where, and it doesn't sound all that plausible. |
| Forum: OSIRIS-REx · Post Preview: #262360 · Replies: 209 · Views: 188863 |
| Posted on: Dec 19 2023, 08:06 PM | |
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Fingers crossed. But FWIW, I am certainly not holding my breath for this launch, which seems likely to slip even more, for Vulcan-related reasons if nothing else. I also think it's amusing that the photo in the tweet makes it look like Peregrine only barely fits in the fairing, when in reality it is lost in all of that volume. |
| Forum: Lunar Exploration · Post Preview: #262354 · Replies: 51 · Views: 35743 |
| Posted on: Dec 18 2023, 11:51 PM | |
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| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262347 · Replies: 42 · Views: 23366 |
| Posted on: Dec 18 2023, 02:32 AM | |
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Another idea is of course to completely omit the companding... Alas, this isn't possible. The DRAM subsystem is designed around 8-bit pixels. In hindsight maybe we should have implemented a mode where one could get every other pixel in 12-bit form (there's something similar in CTX and LROC NAC) but obviously we weren't expecting this particular problem. Similarly, if there's a better companding function that would improve on the current one given all of the limitations on the hardware (described upthread), we haven't been able to come up with it. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262339 · Replies: 42 · Views: 23366 |
| Posted on: Dec 17 2023, 06:10 PM | |
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I wonder if there could be value in acquiring blue-only higher-TDI images. If there was something important enough about the blue channel to make up for the costs of reduced imaging cadence, extra processing, etc, then sure. QUOTE And also wonder, if red-green images were collected, could imaging cadence be increased to once per rotation... No, not for any image larger than 20 or so frames. You have to acquire all of the frames into JDEA DRAM and then transfer them all to the spacecraft before starting the next image. (And I've just noticed an error in the Junocam paper -- it says "the data interface is a unidirectional three-signal RS-422 synchronous interface running at 20 Mbits/s" but the correct number is 4 Mbits/s.) |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262337 · Replies: 42 · Views: 23366 |
| Posted on: Dec 16 2023, 05:47 PM | |
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| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262325 · Replies: 42 · Views: 23366 |
| Posted on: Dec 7 2023, 04:54 AM | ||
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In missions I am familiar with, there is no separate actuation of (2) and (3). I don't know for sure, but there's a lot of information in the Genesis failure report at https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/2006000...20060008607.pdf and this clearly shows three events and three sets of pyros (Table 2-3, below). I assume that the Genesis and OREx capsules are pretty similar electrically (though Genesis was supposed to use a parafoil.) I didn't find anything with a similar level of detail for Stardust (all the best info is in failure reports. |
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| Forum: OSIRIS-REx · Post Preview: #262264 · Replies: 209 · Views: 188863 |
| Posted on: Dec 6 2023, 09:52 PM | |
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I know nothing about this except as a bemused bystander. The press release https://blogs.nasa.gov/osiris-rex/2023/12/0...yment-sequence/ seems inconsistent. My impression is that there were three events and three signals: 1) deploy cover and drogue; 2) cut away drogue; 3) deploy main. and these were supposed to be fired in the order 1, 2, 3, but in fact were fired in the order 2, 1, 3 because they swapped 1 and 2. But if you read the text in the press release it sounds like they swapped 1 and 3, which would have been order 3, 2, 1 and might have had similar effects assuming that deploying the main with the cover still on wasn't a big deal (I'd have thought it would be, these deployments can be pretty energetic.) I hope it's the press release that's confused and not the real failure analysis! |
| Forum: OSIRIS-REx · Post Preview: #262261 · Replies: 209 · Views: 188863 |
| Posted on: Dec 5 2023, 03:19 PM | |
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I think they are suggesting taking 4 images, each with 1/4 exposure time and averaging/summing them together to beat down noise It takes about 150 msec to read out a one-band image and about 255 msec for a three-band image, plus exposure time. So the typical visible exposure time of 3.2 or 6.4 msec is only a small fraction of that time. It might be barely possible to take one-band images at an interframe of say 160 msec, which would overlap downspin by more than 50%. That could help somewhat but it's a pretty big impact for not much return, it seems to me. 4X is just not possible. QUOTE 1) taking several exposures as fast as possible (min exposure time, min INTERFRAME_DELAY) followed by a normal exposure. 2) taking a very long well-filling exposure, followed immediately by a normal exposure. Both 1 and 2 would be limited in their cadence ("followed by/immediately" is no faster than the amount of time it takes to read the previous images out of DRAM to the s/c, many seconds). We've taken a range of exposure times (RGB/CH4/lightning) already and there seems to be very little difference in behavior with exposure time or from frame to frame at the standard interframe time. The fact that the offset occurs with images of black space suggests little dependence on signal level, we think it is a shift between the reset and video level coming out of the CCD. QUOTE I am curious which specific ITAR sections are limiting you disclosure ability. I'm not a lawyer, I just know what they tell me I can and can't say. Some of this is now covered by EAR rather than ITAR, but it's not clear that it's helped. Maybe https://www.space.commerce.gov/regulations/...ol-regulations/ would have some useful background. If you argued that this is being overapplied, I wouldn't disagree with you, but it's above my pay grade. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262250 · Replies: 42 · Views: 23366 |
| Posted on: Dec 5 2023, 05:16 AM | |
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What causes have been considered/analyzed and dismissed? Bad bits out of ADC, basically everything after the CCD amplifier output. QUOTE What are the current "most likely" causes? Radiation degradation of the CCD or possibly a bias voltage supply. QUOTE Is the problem before, in, or after the ADC? Before. QUOTE Is the companding implemented in HW circuit. Digital hardware, see above. The problem is not in companding. QUOTE And while we're at it, as-flown schematics of instrument. I'm sure you're aware that this is not a very realistic request. There's a nice block diagram in https://www.missionjuno.swri.edu/pub/e/down...each_Camera.pdf that should answer many questions. As time has gone by, we've had to be more and more conservative about the level of detail we've released in the open literature due to ITAR. That said, it's more or less the same as what's described in a little more detail in https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...29/2008JE003315 for the MRO MARCI, sections 3.3.3 to 3.3.5. I can't share the specific part numbers of any of the ICs, though. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262244 · Replies: 42 · Views: 23366 |
| Posted on: Dec 5 2023, 03:38 AM | |
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Is there any possibility of changing the exposure time? I don't know if JunoCam can handle shorter exposures, but if it can and the exposure time is reduced 4x, it may improve the SNR by a factor of ~2. Unfortunately, it will also increase the file size by 4x, which may not be possible or practical. I'm not following why you think using a shorter exposure time would help, or why it would increase the file size. Junocam is a pushframe imager, so we could reduce the exposure time as much as we wanted below the nominal 1 IFOV of blur at 3.2 msec. As far as we can tell, the noise and offset is largely independent of exposure time. You can see this for yourself by comparing the RGB, methane, and single-band lightning search images. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262242 · Replies: 42 · Views: 23366 |
| Posted on: Dec 4 2023, 09:15 PM | ||
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Is it safe for me to assume that the images got corrupted before companding... Yes. Unfortunately one of the major impacts of the offset becoming so large is that low signals are normally quantized more finely than high signals, but with a large offset this doesn't happen, and this degrades the SNR of dark parts of the scene (and would do so even if the noise wasn't present at all.) In case it helps, the Junocam paper didn't provide as much information about the companding as it could have. This is all implicit in the lookup tables in the PDS product SIS, but just to be clear about how the hardware works, see below. |
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| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262240 · Replies: 42 · Views: 23366 |
| Posted on: Dec 4 2023, 03:50 PM | |
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| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262237 · Replies: 42 · Views: 23366 |
| Posted on: Dec 3 2023, 01:36 AM | |
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So from a system perspective, I thought, they'd be considering whether they can do curative cycles between imaging cycles. So you're suggesting, basically, that we turn it off and back on again? Always reasonable tech support advice. Unfortunately, whether that would help or not (and that's not clear), we can't do it for fear it will never start up again, as almost happened at PJ48. https://www.nasa.gov/missions/juno/nasas-ju...yby-of-jupiter/ If the images became completely unusable, we'll likely try this because there wouldn't be anything left to lose. [added: To be clear, we don't think this is a transient, but we can't rule it out and in the abstract your suggestion is perfectly reasonable.] |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262227 · Replies: 42 · Views: 23366 |
| Posted on: Dec 2 2023, 03:17 PM | |
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There is plenty of literature that says that radiation damage of semiconductors can be annealed by heating in at least some cases. The Junocam team is well aware of annealing. One might look carefully at the dark current in the past few marble movies for evidence of heating going back several orbits. (Dancing around the limits of what I can say here.) QUOTE I think that in doubt it's easier to cope with the thermal dark current than with severe radiation damage in case the heating is maintained during the flyby. If it's properly calibrated and reliable, the companding function could be offset by almost the level of the dark current. I know that we would see a lot more hot pixels. But that's something more or less systematic and reprodicible. As far as we can tell, this issue is not related to dark current, which is a more gaussian noise source. And there are some limits to the amount of offset that can be put into the standard companding function due to bit sizes of registers. The images are unusable with any degree of heating. If we could reduce the temperature below the level it's at with no heating, we would do that and we believe it would help, but that's not really possible (recall that Junocam is inside a thermal-blanketed volume with just the lens looking out, and by design it's a stable not-too-hot, not-too-cold temperature in there. There's no active cooling.) |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262222 · Replies: 42 · Views: 23366 |
| Posted on: Dec 1 2023, 08:22 PM | |
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As much as I'd like to see perhaps a social media post asking for suggestions... We did post an explicit invitation for new ways to process the data on missionjuno, see above. I've said elsewhere that there are very few knobs we have to turn on the camera. We can't change, or even measure, any of the internal voltages. We could adjust the companding parameters and that's something we are considering. We can change the temperature of the camera, but it's much easier to make it hotter than colder, and in general hotter is worse. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262216 · Replies: 42 · Views: 23366 |
| Posted on: Dec 1 2023, 08:05 PM | |
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The approach images have been posted so one can watch the problem develop on the inbound leg. The partial frames are, we believe, unrelated to this issue; those look more like the data loss problems we've encountered before. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262215 · Replies: 42 · Views: 23366 |
| Posted on: Nov 30 2023, 09:54 PM | |
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| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262208 · Replies: 42 · Views: 23366 |
| Posted on: Nov 30 2023, 08:29 PM | |
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From https://www.missionjuno.swri.edu/junocam/processing QUOTE One of the biggest challenges for Juno is Jupiter's intense radiation belts, which are expected to limit the lifetime of both Juno’s engineering and science subsystems. JunoCam is now showing the effects of that radiation on some of its parts. PJ56 images show a reduction in our dynamic range and an increase in background and noise. We invite citizen scientists to explore new ways to process these images to continue to bring out the beauty and mysteries of Jupiter and its moons. Maybe more detail will be released at some point, and maybe not, I can't tell. We are exploring some possible mitigations, but if anyone has any ideas we'd love to hear them. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #262204 · Replies: 42 · Views: 23366 |
| Posted on: Nov 29 2023, 11:56 PM | |
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But where are the unprocessed pictures? (or not so much processed?) Per https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/planetdat...23/pdf/7073.pdf QUOTE An additional modification to the original Lucy archive delivery timeline was made when the main belt asteroid 152830 Dinkinesh was added as a flyby target. Instrument data for this encounter will be delivered to the PDS within 9 months after downlink completion... |
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