My Assistant
| Posted on: Nov 23 2013, 10:41 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
|
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #204684 · Replies: 929 · Views: 597348 |
| Posted on: Nov 11 2013, 08:59 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakda...ion-update.html A schematic of the propulsion system plumbing would be needed to completely make sense of this. Normally, redundant latch valves are in parallel so that either one or the other can control flow to the engine (and there are normally-open pyro valves in the lines that can shut one leg down if its valve sticks open.) I haven't heard of needing or wanting both open since if they behaved differently they wouldn't be truly redundant (a crude form of throttling?). Perhaps in trying this there was some flow-splitting problem and the flow rates weren't what they wanted. At any rate it seems a bit odd -- hopefully this afternoon's burn will go well. |
| Forum: ISRO Mars Orbiter Mission · Post Preview: #204455 · Replies: 95 · Views: 639590 |
| Posted on: Nov 9 2013, 08:50 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
I think I found most of the city features here... Certainly, and I referenced your post, but if you reread it, you'll see that it expressed some hope that more features might appear in parts of the image that hadn't been received at that time. I was hoping that somebody might revisit that (as it turned out I don't think we can see anything you didn't initially.) |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #204425 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Nov 9 2013, 05:43 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
On the topic of the nightside images, I'll note that there are a few interesting blobs in efb15 and probably efb16 and no one has ever looked at those in any detail, so there's a chance for a real amateur discovery here. Of course most of those blobs are stars. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #204423 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Nov 9 2013, 05:21 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
The stitched image shows the overlap of the two halves twice. I think the brightest, largest blob (which I think of as "turtle-shaped") is Cape Town; this seems to show up twice in the overlap region from two different angles. See http://www.flickr.com/photos/nasamarshall/...157625188331491 for an ISS image for comparison. We were thinking that Johannesburg would be visible but perhaps it was cloudy; I don't think anyone has looked at this in detail since Doug's message back on 10/10 when we only had part of the image. I didn't see any features on the Earth in the overlap that showed up in one portion but not in the other, as you would expect lightning to do, but I admit I didn't look that carefully. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #204422 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Nov 8 2013, 09:31 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
The CCD detector has 1640 x 1214 pixels of which 1600 x 1200 are photoactive, yet the images are 1648 pixels wide. Does the 58° FOV include 1648 pixels, 1640 pixels or only the 1600 photoactive pixels? Each line has all the pixels the CCD has, including black and isolation pixels, and 3 overscan/garbage pixels at the start and 5 at the end. Capturing the entire optical function by using a single FOV and pixel count is overly simplistic because of lens distortion. Many posts back I provided a radial distortion term, which admittedly is derived only from the prescription but is the best metric we currently have. If the mismatch is due to optical distortion, then my model isn't doing much better than yours, though. It may be optimistic to expect that we will ever be able to get the color to line up perfectly without doing some sort of ad hoc correction, though it's always painful to admit this. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #204400 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Nov 8 2013, 04:04 AM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
Why doesn't this happened more often? Launch a probe into parking orbit when it's assembled, do checkouts and instrument commissioning at a leisurely pace... Most interplanetary spacecraft are launched into a parking orbit, but they only stay in it for a few minutes before injection. AFAIK there are no delta V savings for the MOM mission profile, it's mostly because the spacecraft engine doesn't have enough thrust to do the injection in one burn. As for checkout, there's plenty of time to do it in cruise, and it's not like you can go up and fix it if you stay in Earth orbit anyway. |
| Forum: ISRO Mars Orbiter Mission · Post Preview: #204380 · Replies: 95 · Views: 639590 |
| Posted on: Nov 8 2013, 01:16 AM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
I'm awfully late to the party but here is an *experimental* (and *very* far from perfect) color view from the efb10 image: That looks great, and exactly how I would expect my processing of efb10 to look, right down to the color mismatch at the join point that I am still struggling with for efb12. Still no good explanation of that, but I'm working on it. Which C kernels did you use? |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #204377 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Oct 28 2013, 11:59 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
it had become clear to me that the 'blank space' between R/G and the space between G/B couldn't have the same height. I'm not following this point, but I gave the line offsets as best I understand them. QUOTE Are the framelets at the top of an image obtained at exactly this time or slightly later? Slightly later, by about 0.082 seconds. I hadn't factored that in, maybe it will help. QUOTE Are you using the spk_pre_130909_140102_131021_jc031.bsp file or is there an even more recent version somewhere? If there's a better one I don't know about it either. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #204133 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Oct 28 2013, 10:59 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
All these observations about the shortcomings of the official release (however accurate or otherwise) are, IMHO, violations of rule 2.6. |
| Forum: Cassini's ongoing mission and raw images · Post Preview: #204129 · Replies: 38 · Views: 155716 |
| Posted on: Oct 28 2013, 02:21 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
Maybe they could take it out of its restraint position on a future drive while crossing some very smooth and soft stretch of soil... Very cool to see the wheels hitting some bumps. We wanted to make the need for the launch restraint dependent on the terrain type, but it's hard to quantify exactly what the vibration environment will be for any particular situation, and there are no measurements of it afterwards. As for "hitting some bumps" I'm not sure that's the right phrase, given how slowly the rover is moving. The worst vibe loads, we think, come from wheels spontaneously slipping off rocks, but I've never seen the details of the analysis. |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #204118 · Replies: 258 · Views: 162277 |
| Posted on: Oct 27 2013, 04:12 PM | ||
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
Junocam efb10, similar 2d-based reprojection-like adjustment of the halves as above for efb12... These are really nice. If you could get rid of the remaining visible seam in efb12, I think these would become candidates for the "official" images. I haven't been able to completely get rid of the seam in my own processing thus far, even with the new SPK file and with adjusting the interframe time slightly. |
|
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #204101 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Oct 26 2013, 10:27 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
why not just render an animation derived from the MARDI imagery... It's unclear from the processing flow, but it's possible that that's essentially what he's proposing. That said, estimating the position and pose of each MARDI frame would be a useful contribution all by itself. |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #204095 · Replies: 24 · Views: 24462 |
| Posted on: Oct 26 2013, 03:47 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
The rover has to stop to take images... This may be true for the engineering cameras, but it's not true of Mastcam or MARDI, where video can be acquired independent of the rover computer. However, the Mastcam focus mechanism is being put in the launch restraint position during driving out of concerns for vibration, so Mastcam can't be in focus during a drive (this could in theory be relaxed at some point because it's somewhat conservative). We've talked about taking MARDI drive movies but of course MARDI image quality isn't great. Of course, since the data volume is high and the science justification low, such imaging is hard to sell. |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #204089 · Replies: 258 · Views: 162277 |
| Posted on: Oct 26 2013, 03:36 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
...from a total of 1283 frames recorded there are about 650 - 750 frames relevant for the EDL and on the PDS website, the latest release is only 388 frames long. Are you sure? A quick look at http://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/msl/M...EX/RDR_CMDX.TAB shows 1280 EDL frames (all as "MrdiRecoveredProducts") though these are inconveniently scattered across releases 1-3 because of their transmission times (32 on 1, 864 on 2, and 384 on 3). QUOTE One conclusion is that the compression is applied, probably o board the craft for memory reasons. Per the documentation, the raw data are the digitized samples coming out of the camera and then passed through a 12-to-8-bit square-root table with no additional lossy compression. I'm not certain what you are concerned about in your images, but we've found that the two green pixels in the Bayer pattern have slightly different responses and this has to be accounted for for best color reconstruction. Bayer reconstruction is a very involved topic. |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #204088 · Replies: 24 · Views: 24462 |
| Posted on: Oct 20 2013, 11:02 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
Is the diagram at the top of the "Apparent FOV Layout" section correct with the exception of the RGB band order error? More or less, although the actual positions of the readout regions for each band is slightly different and to be honest I find that diagram a bit confusing. The actual start lines for each 128-line band framelet relative to line 0 at the "top" of the sensor are 291, 456, 611, and 766 with the nominal optic axis at line 600. And the focal length is 10.997mm. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #203948 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Oct 20 2013, 03:25 AM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
With lossless data things are clear. http://www.msss.com/junocam_efb/images/efb12.tif is a raw TIFF file if that saves you any trouble. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #203915 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Oct 20 2013, 01:55 AM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
how much time a message can safely remain stored in the onboard flash memory. Even in a terrestrial application, the guaranteed data retention time for NAND flash is only on the order of 10 years. It's likely that lower storage temperature will extend that, but flash is not a great choice for long-term data archiving. |
| Forum: Chit Chat · Post Preview: #203911 · Replies: 10 · Views: 9170 |
| Posted on: Oct 20 2013, 01:34 AM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
I've put a preliminary version of the PDS-format EDR image for efb12 on the web site at http://www.msss.com/junocam_efb/images/JCE_jc029_C_012.IMG -- this was one of the few EFB images that was returned using lossless compression, so this version contains exactly the bits that came out of the camera without any compression artifacts. I doubt that would make any practical difference for most uses, but decide for yourself. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #203910 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Oct 18 2013, 08:38 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
For those still keeping track, the remaining four partial Junocam data products have now been retransmitted and are posted to the web site, so our EFB dataset is complete. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #203884 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Oct 17 2013, 07:32 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
The parameters (start time, interframe period, camera vectors) are 'guessed'... No need to guess, see below for all of the timing parameters. The position and orientation can be computed from SPICE files. CODE image,sclk,scet,utc,interframe efb1,434588923:106,434588889.683,2013 OCT 09 11:07:02.50,0.370 efb2,434589092:16,434589058.331,2013 OCT 09 11:09:51.15,0.373 efb3,434616793:76,434616759.52,2013 OCT 09 18:51:32.34,0.373 efb4,434616973:104,434616939.629,2013 OCT 09 18:54:32.45,0.370 efb5,434617153:107,434617119.641,2013 OCT 09 18:57:32.46,0.370 efb6,434617243:83,434617209.547,2013 OCT 09 18:59:02.36,0.370 efb7,434617423:128,434617389.722,2013 OCT 09 19:02:02.54,0.370 efb8,434617513:113,434617479.664,2013 OCT 09 19:03:32.48,0.370 efb9,434617693:70,434617659.495,2013 OCT 09 19:06:32.31,0.370 efb10,434617783:87,434617749.562,2013 OCT 09 19:08:02.38,0.370 efb11,434617963:95,434617929.593,2013 OCT 09 19:11:02.41,0.370 efb12,434618053:109,434618019.647,2013 OCT 09 19:12:32.46,0.370 efb13,434618233:125,434618199.709,2013 OCT 09 19:15:32.53,0.370 efb14,434618473:78,434618439.525,2013 OCT 09 19:19:32.34,0.370 efb15,434618683:82,434618649.541,2013 OCT 09 19:23:02.36,0.370 efb16,434618863:79,434618829.529,2013 OCT 09 19:26:02.35,0.370 efb17,434619128:115,434619094.669,2013 OCT 09 19:30:27.49,0.370 |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #203861 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Oct 16 2013, 09:09 PM | ||
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
Is there anything visible in the Jupiter image? I've been looking at it and can't figure out what, if anything, I'm supposed to be seeing. It may be a little easier if you check again, as I just pushed a more complete version out to the website; a data drop was causing our processing to choke previously. Jupiter actually appears twice in two adjacent framelets. The bright stuff at the bottom is not the actual Earth limb, which was out of the field, but stray light from the Earth. Also, don't read anything into the blown-up view of Jupiter; we are not able to see any satellites, that's likely pixel noise. Not a great image, but an interesting milestone nonetheless. QUOTE Will you generally know and plan for the spin phase of the spacecraft when you get images at Jupiter? At Jupiter the spacecraft has an onboard ephemeris that tells us when we're pointed at the planet, and we can use that to center the images correctly. During EFB, that software was telling us where the Moon was, not the Earth. A few months ago, we also discovered a bug in how the Junocam flight software was using that information that still has to be fixed, so we weren't able to use it for EFB at all. |
|
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #203835 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Oct 16 2013, 05:06 PM | ||
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
Here's a reprocessed version of efb12. Some explanation of the color mismatch that's visible near the center: recall that we didn't know the spin phase of the spacecraft when we planned the images, so we had to take a full 360-degree swath. As luck would have it, in efb12 the Earth was in the field at the start of acquisition, so the bottom half of the planet was at the top of the image and the top half at the bottom, with the overlap for some bands split between the top and the bottom. Since the spacecraft was moving fairly fast at this point, it traveled a significant distance in the 30 seconds between the time the first and last frames were taken, so there's some perspective shift. That should be modeled out by our processing, but we don't have the reconstructed SPK files from EFB yet, so our position knowledge is probably off. Hopefully quality will improve when we get that reconstruction, but there will likely always be a place for manual realignment of the color channels since our processing is not 100% perfect. BTW, Gerald's processing is really nice (better than these automatic products by far IMHO) and greatly appreciated by the team. I can only imagine the amount of effort he's put in. |
|
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #203829 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Oct 15 2013, 05:19 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
I was able to recover most of the efb12 image drops by tuning the decompression fault recovery parameters; improved versions posted to the web site. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #203813 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Oct 14 2013, 11:17 PM | |
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2559 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
|
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #203801 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
New Replies No New Replies Hot Topic (New) Hot Topic (No New) |
Poll (New) Poll (No New) Locked Topic Moved Topic |
|
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 17th December 2024 - 05:30 AM |
|
RULES AND GUIDELINES Please read the Forum Rules and Guidelines before posting. IMAGE COPYRIGHT |
OPINIONS AND MODERATION Opinions expressed on UnmannedSpaceflight.com are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of UnmannedSpaceflight.com or The Planetary Society. The all-volunteer UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderation team is wholly independent of The Planetary Society. The Planetary Society has no influence over decisions made by the UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderators. |
SUPPORT THE FORUM Unmannedspaceflight.com is funded by the Planetary Society. Please consider supporting our work and many other projects by donating to the Society or becoming a member. |
|