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mcaplinger
Posted on: Mar 4 2013, 03:49 PM


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QUOTE (jmknapp @ Mar 4 2013, 06:14 AM) *
Are the A/B computer systems completely separate, or might they share at least the solid-state memory?

No, but no.

From http://www.nasa.gov/offices/oce/appel/ask/...complexity.html (which doesn't specifically answer your question, but might be of interest. Note that this is written from the perspective of EDL reliability; surface reliability is a different situation.)

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Intrinsically, however, avionics fault tolerance is provided by adding redundant boxes with some degree of cross-strapping. (Cross-strapping permits redundant boxes to work with other redundant elements in the system architecture.) On MSL, the project took an intermediate position of incorporating some partial avionics redundancy to mitigate box-level failures while not driving EDL risk adversely. Unfortunately, the resulting system is neither fish nor fowl from a complexity perspective. By having a combination of single-string and redundant elements, the resulting fault-containment architecture is more complex and more difficult to design, analyze, and verify than either a single-string or fully redundant design. The marginal increase in reliability associated with the partial redundancy may not have been worth the increased complexity.

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Posted on: Mar 4 2013, 06:39 AM


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QUOTE (EdTruthan @ Mar 3 2013, 10:22 PM) *
Your post made me curious as to how long they've actually been there, and to my surprise it looks like they've been present since the first good 34mm shots came down on Sol 3.

This fits my expectations. These are not on the lens but on the focal plane and have been there since we buttoned up the optics during final assembly.
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Posted on: Mar 4 2013, 01:08 AM


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QUOTE (EdTruthan @ Mar 3 2013, 03:29 PM) *
~ First, I run raw MC100's and MC34's through the appropriate (manually recorded preset for image size in question) Photoshop automation to carefully remove all the lens "schmutz" from each set (MC100 has 2 big ones and MC34 has now developed 3 smaller ones)

Do you really have evidence that the 34mm has defects that weren't there before? I don't but I haven't been looking very hard for several weeks.
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Posted on: Mar 1 2013, 08:09 PM


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QUOTE (renee @ Mar 1 2013, 01:06 PM) *
The OS is bound to have a name? Scheduling algorithms have to be described someplace?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of...the_Mars_rovers would be a place to start.
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Posted on: Mar 1 2013, 06:51 PM


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QUOTE (RoverDriver @ Mar 1 2013, 11:46 AM) *
...I don't think I understand what you mean by this.

Presumably s/he's complaining about the lack of detail in the released accounts. Let me remind everyone that those of us who know more aren't allowed to talk about it. In fact I'm surprised Herkenhoff was allowed to mention the anomaly in the first place.

I'm sure more detail will be released once the problem is better understood.
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QUOTE (renee @ Mar 1 2013, 10:46 AM) *
On earth this problem would be considered among the most serious.

Well, as you say there isn't enough information to support this claim. Assuming it's a hardware problem at all, it could have just been a radiation-induced transient. Do a google search for "flash memory sefi".

On Earth you'd just power-cycle and see if the problem went away.
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Posted on: Feb 28 2013, 05:33 AM


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QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 27 2013, 07:56 PM) *
also wondering how much ACS fuel expenditure would be needed to do a good job of observation; every burn shortens their operational lifetimes, and this thing will be really moving at closest approach.

Both cameras with any resolution on MRO are linescan anyway, so the target moving is a feature, not a bug. It may only be necessary to repoint the s/c, which can be done on the reaction wheels with very little fuel usage. Even if scanning is needed, the wheels can likely do it. A more substantive problem is that the resolution isn't that great -- 125x worse than what we get on Mars (750 meters/pixel for CTX, around 40 m/pxl for HiRISE.)

That said, this is still more than 1.5 years away and the ephemeris and even the size of the comet are uncertain, so detailed planning is premature.
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Posted on: Feb 27 2013, 09:38 PM


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QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Feb 27 2013, 02:31 PM) *

From that site:
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Having a very tenuous atmosphere, the surface of the red planet will be subject to intensive bombardments by microparticles which, among other things, might cause malfunction of the space probes currently there.

I'm thinking this is unlikely to be a threat to the rovers and probably not to orbiters either.
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Posted on: Feb 27 2013, 09:01 PM


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QUOTE (MaG @ Feb 25 2013, 03:07 PM) *
I can ask only, if there is any possibility to observe comets in near future from surface of Mars...

I think it's a safe bet that any extremely bright comet will get imaged. Dimmer objects will likely not be visible and at some brightness the attempt probably won't be made.
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Posted on: Feb 24 2013, 09:12 PM


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QUOTE (wildespace @ Feb 24 2013, 01:23 PM) *
Are there any plans to use Curiosity to observe the comet C/2013 A1 (Siding Spring) in 2014?

Plans like this are not made that far in advance. It's been discussed elsewhere what the capabilities of MSL to image astronomical objects are. I'm sure that if any given target is bright some imaging is likely to be attempted.

[mods: if there isn't a thread for astronomical observations from MSL there probably should be.]
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Posted on: Feb 24 2013, 03:44 PM


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QUOTE (jmknapp @ Feb 24 2013, 05:14 AM) *
Since the NAIF files at least nominally have all the joint rotation angles, I wonder if they will be any different when they ultimately make it the the PDS.

I think the problem is insufficient time sampling of the angles. One exchange I had with the NAIF guys suggested they might eventually incorporate the high-rate angles during motion, but didn't yet. So there's some hope.
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Posted on: Feb 21 2013, 04:29 PM


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QUOTE (rlorenz @ Feb 21 2013, 06:55 AM) *

Anybody know the specific team affiliations? The release doesn't say.
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Posted on: Feb 20 2013, 05:09 PM


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QUOTE (360pano.eu @ Feb 19 2013, 11:47 PM) *
Please don't hesitate to share it wink.gif

Very nice!

Would you be interested in posting the mosaic as a flat image? I find the 360cities interface almost unusable, and I am interested in finding the seams and parallax errors in your product (which are practically inevitable given the geometry of the images unless you applied some kind of correction beyond my ability to do, in which case I'm even more impressed.)
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Posted on: Feb 20 2013, 03:55 AM


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QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Feb 19 2013, 06:12 PM) *
I'd like to look under the hood of that impact model and see what makes it tick.

http://impact.ese.ic.ac.uk/ImpactEffects/effects.pdf is a very thorough discussion of the model.

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Although simple, we have found the prescription above
to give a fairly reasonable account of atmospheric entry over
a wide range of impactor sizes and compositions. As
mentioned above, a much more complex treatment must be
made on a case-by-case basis if more exact results are needed.

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Posted on: Feb 16 2013, 07:00 AM


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QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Feb 15 2013, 10:24 PM) *
Wow, that's a lot closer than the other accounts of how flexible the arm is.

I'm skeptical that this model really accounts for all of the constraints in operating the real RA. If the rover planners say they can't get any closer, I'd be inclined to trust them.
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QUOTE (PaulH51 @ Feb 14 2013, 08:14 PM) *
Is the mast mounted detector (REM Boom 1) in a MAHLI blind spot?

I have to do Google searches to see what I can say in public anyway. Doing this for "rems boom mahli" I find the question already asked and answered on Emily's blog: http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakda...-30-update.html

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Enright also asked if MAHLI could be used to view the damaged REMS boom. (This is one of two wind speed sensors mounted on little booms sticking out from the rover mast.) Michael Watkins answered that the REMS team had, in fact, made that request. However, the geometry is difficult; it's on a part of the mast that faces away from the arm. It would be awkward to position MAHLI to see the boom, and they could only get as close as about half a meter away, limiting the resolution of the view. So, Watkins said, they do not plan to attempt such imaging, in the short term anyway.


They always knew it was fragile and now that we know there's a good chance of pebble-sized debris flying around, I think the fix would be straightforward even without any imaging. The 2020 rover will probably end up with lots of little shields and covers on everything smile.gif
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Posted on: Feb 12 2013, 02:04 AM


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http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2013/pdf/1417.pdf might provide some insight into how the science team is using multispectral Mastcam images.

Note, BTW, that the near-IR from ~800 nm to 1.1 microns sensed by Mastcam has nothing to do with the temperature of the target; for that you need to detect the thermal IR from about 3.5 to 20 microns; see http://www.msss.com/brochures/ecam-ir1.pdf for a fine MSSS product that can do that (advertisement.)
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Posted on: Feb 11 2013, 08:33 PM


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QUOTE (jmknapp @ Feb 11 2013, 12:37 PM) *
Wouldn't the levels all go up proportionally with exposure--i.e., if the intensity is up for the tailings because of exposure alone, shouldn't it also be up for the dust, from a different part of the same image?

Yes, but it looked to me like you were trying to normalize values from one image to another. Maybe I was mistaken about what your intent was. I myself have always been unsure about what science utility, if any, the visible Mastcam filters have compared to the Bayer pattern.
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QUOTE (jmknapp @ Feb 11 2013, 11:13 AM) *
Here's what I get for the relative radiance (R1=1.00) for the (presumably) R1-3 filters...

I'm not sure what you think this is telling you that R0 isn't telling you. Since you don't know the R1-3 exposure times and they are almost certainly different, you can't make a proper comparison, even relatively.
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QUOTE (dburt @ Feb 10 2013, 11:44 AM) *
Umm. If we're going to get historical, let us certainly not forget the directly-observed-and-mapped-by-famous-astronomers canals of Mars...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars is a reasonable, if incomplete, survey of that. Frankly I hadn't bothered to mention pre-1950 "evidence" because it's now well-known to be spurious. As an example of wishful thinking in science, though, it's certainly useful.
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QUOTE (serpens @ Feb 9 2013, 02:41 PM) *
...can we safely assume that the drilling resistance (based on the relationships of penetration depth for revolutions, force, torque etc) can provide an accurate assessment of the cohesion or 'hardness' of this rock?

Perhaps grossly, but given all the things the drill has to do, I suspect that making this sort of measurement was secondary at best.
See http://www.esmats.eu/amspapers/pastpapers/pdfs/2010/okon.pdf for a very interesting and detailed account of the drill mechanism design.
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QUOTE (jmknapp @ Feb 8 2013, 01:26 PM) *
I have the struct kernel at least--here's my kernel file:

http://curiosityrover.com/rover2.txt

I think you need http://naif.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/naif/MSL/kern..._struct_v01.bsp which you don't seem to have; the IK file you do have is not the same thing.
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QUOTE (JRehling @ Feb 8 2013, 12:56 PM) *
...I recall that Earth-based spectroscopy of the planets has a long history that began with inappropriately low standards of calibration...

Hence my caveat about Earth-based detection upthread. I didn't do any research on Mike Wolff's citation of Spinrad 1963 to form an opinion about whether it was certainly right or just happened to match reality. I'm fairly sure there was no credible result to 1950 or so; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mars_observation for an incomplete survey of this.
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QUOTE (jmknapp @ Feb 8 2013, 04:56 AM) *
...I'm at a loss to figure out the SPICE code to get the XYZ position of the camera--it keeps giving an error when I try to use spkpos_c(), which works well enough for, say, the rover itself.

What's the error message? You loaded one of the "ra" kernels, I assume? And you also need to load "msl_struct_v01.bsp"

But I don't know if this will work, I haven't tried it myself yet.
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QUOTE (Ant103 @ Feb 7 2013, 04:01 AM) *
IMO, I think it's time to stop recording rocks pictures and take some images with a strong public impact...
with half an earth year on Mars, and so few great pictures to deal with (to dream with if I dare say), except a lot of rock collections, I think it's sad.

Wow. You having a bad day?

It's hard to take images near dawn and sunset because of thermal and Chemcam sun-pointing constraints. The ops people have been very conservative about focus, exposure, and data volume and that's led to fewer sequences that take longer than I was expecting.

That said, I think we've done pretty well considering, and your criticism is a bit over the top. I'd have thought that you, if anyone, would appreciate that.
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