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| Posted on: Nov 28 2012, 06:25 PM | |
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One thing that I don't quite understand is where did all the eroded surface go? Good question. I don't think anyone knows yet. From Malin and Edgett, "Sedimentary rocks of early Mars", Science, 2000, http://www.sciencemag.org/content/290/5498...&siteid=sci (italics mine) QUOTE Not only is evidence of the depositional processes not apparent, neither, in most cases, are the processes that exposed and eroded the layered and massive units (with the obvious exceptions of faulting in the Valles Marineris and the presence of yardangs that imply wind erosion). For example, Henry Crater contains 10,000 km3 of material in an isolated mound within the crater. This material is layered and stands nearly as high as the crater rim. This observation implies that some process or processes have removed 15,000 km3 of material from Henry Crater. Notwithstanding recognition of morphologies that suggest an apparent sequence illustrating removal of material from impact craters, the actual processes are unknown. The implication is that most of the exposure and erosion of the layered units must have occurred some time far in the martian past, when transport out of the craters (again, with no obvious transport pathways) could have occurred via processes not acting on the planet today. |
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| Posted on: Nov 27 2012, 06:21 AM | |
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http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2012/pdf/2008.pdf and various other abstracts coming up with a google search for "sam msl perchlorate" may be of interest. QUOTE The parent salts of the perchlorate on Mars are unknown, but geochemical models using WCL data support the possible dominance of Mg-perchlorate salts. Mg(ClO4)2•6H2O is the stable phase at ambient martian conditions, and breaks down at lower temperatures than carbonates giving off Cl2 and HCl gas. Devlin and Herley report two exotherms at 410-478°C and 473-533°C which correspond to the decomposition of Mg(ClO4)2. They support a two-stage process: (1) 2Mg(ClO4)2 = [MgO•Mg(ClO4)2] + Cl2 + 3.5O2 (2) [MgO•Mg(ClO4)2] = 2MgO + Cl2 + 3.5O2 If the chlorine gas produced reacts with moisture in the system or if the magnesium perchlorate has not fully dehydrated, then HCl gas can form and react with a carbonate phase to evolve CO2: (3) CaCO3 + 2HCl = CaCl2 + CO2 + H2O |
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| Posted on: Nov 23 2012, 04:09 PM | |
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Can we discuss SAM's stereochemistry capabilities? I believe that SAM can sort out chirality, but I have seen very little written about this. First, ask in the SAM/Chemin thread. Second, read the SAM instrument paper. Third, do a simple google search for "sam msl chirality" and then you will be prepared enough to ask questions. |
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| Posted on: Nov 23 2012, 06:49 AM | |
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All you have to do is wash the sample in water before pyrolyzing it...I was under the impression that Curiosity has this capability or something like it. Not that I'm aware of. SAM has its wet chemistry cells but the SAM instrument paper referenced above doesn't indicate that this is their purpose -- see section 4.6, "Solid Sample Measurements Based on Wet Chemical Processing". Note that Springer-Verlag has made all of the MSL instrument papers free-access until the end of the year, so there's no excuse not to read up if you're interested -- http://link.springer.com/journal/11214/170/1/page/1 |
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| Posted on: Nov 22 2012, 07:43 PM | |
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I have not seen any specific statements from the Curiosity science team regarding the ability of SAM to detect organics if perclorates are present in a soil/rock sample. Have you read http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11214-012-9879-z ? QUOTE The presence of perchlorates and other oxidants, if present in the martian soil and rocks at Gale crater, could have implications for the SAM search for organics as some of these compounds could be transformed to CO2 in the oven. If perchlorates are present, a small amount of the organics may form chlorohydrocarbons that could be detected by the SAM GCMS experiment. The presence of perchlorates may also be indicated by O2 , HCl, or Cl2 evolution in a SAM EGA experiment or these compounds may be detected by the ChemCam instrument. Similarly, the presence of high concentration H2 O2 in sediments could manifest itself in the form of formaldehyde or methanol, species that are potentially detectable by SAM. |
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| Posted on: Nov 21 2012, 03:08 AM | |
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QUOTE does this remove all discussion of compounds containing Carbon? I'm not a moderator, but not all carbon compounds are considered organic. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_compound, "a few types of carbon-containing compounds such as carbides, carbonates, simple oxides of carbon (such as CO and CO2), and cyanides, as well as the allotropes of carbon such as diamond and graphite, are considered inorganic." That said, rule 1.3 says no organics, and modern chemistry gives an adequate definition of what "organic" means IMHO. |
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| Posted on: Nov 21 2012, 02:45 AM | |
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I noted the reminder about rule 1.3, so I reread it. http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...ic=7514&hl= |
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| Posted on: Nov 20 2012, 04:32 PM | |
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Are they not required to release it all to the PDS eventually ? AFAIK, they have to release the raw data eventually (see http://starbrite.jpl.nasa.gov/pds/viewProf...-IMU-4-EDL-V1.0 for MER, it is dated as released in August 2004) but I don't think they're required to release any processing or reconstruction. |
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| Posted on: Nov 18 2012, 07:19 AM | |
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Odyssey uses ring laser gyros. From http://research.nianet.org/~rtolson/docume..._MRO_AB_JSR.pdf QUOTE Although the IMUs used on MRO were the same as ODY (QA-2000 accelerometers and GG1320 Ring Laser Gyros)... Ring laser gyro lifetime limits are typically due to gas impurity buildups in the RLG cavity. |
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| Posted on: Nov 18 2012, 01:14 AM | |
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It seems to me this orange it is L3... Right, yes, L3. If you look at the QE of the Mastcam CCD http://www.truesenseimaging.com/all/download/file?fid=8.31 you can see that at the L3 bandpass of 750 nm the Bayer filters haven't become completely transparent but the green is getting leaky, so you get this orangish color. |
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| Posted on: Nov 17 2012, 06:27 AM | |
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Very weak indeed, but wouldn't this, combined with the solar wind induced magnetosphere boundary provide for a large part of the observed RAD attenuation? I think the column density of the atmosphere is a much more significant effect. At least that's the only one we looked at when we did our radiation analyses for the electronics. |
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| Posted on: Nov 17 2012, 06:24 AM | |
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To me it is not clear why orange instead of red. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2012/pdf/2541.pdf I think L4 thumbnails end up looking orange because of some leaks from the green and blue bayer positions. |
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| Posted on: Nov 17 2012, 01:43 AM | |
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does anyone know if there is any residual magnetic field loop in the vicinity of Gale that would provide a localised magnetosphere effect? I think even the strongest remnant fields are so weak (~30 nT as opposed to Earth's field of ~30,000 to 60,000 nT) as to have little effect. |
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| Posted on: Nov 16 2012, 03:57 PM | |
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What is it about the atmosphere that provides the shielding ? The gas or the dust? I think you'll find that the mass of the dust is negligible from a shielding perspective. From http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/downl...p1&type=pdf if you precipitated all the dust in the middle of a severe dust storm it would only form a layer 18 microns thick. |
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| Posted on: Nov 16 2012, 01:01 AM | |
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BTW, this is obviously off-topic but I've been asked to point out that we've got a software engineering position open at MSSS -- see http://www.msss.com/about-us/jobs.php for details. |
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| Posted on: Nov 16 2012, 12:54 AM | |
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Wow, beautiful job aligning the 84/85 portraits, Ed! Definitely a great job, and better than anything we've been able to come up with. Did you use hugin? If so, might you consider posting the files? I like the registration a lot but I think I could improve on the image cosmetics. |
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| Posted on: Nov 13 2012, 04:25 PM | |
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I just wanted the data so I could plug it in to the stitching programs (I am a beginner)... The metadata for pointing is in the form of the CAVHOR model vectors (see, e.g., http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2004/2003JE002199.shtml ). Hugin at least requires pointing information in the form of roll/pitch/yaw. If anybody already has code to go from one to the other, or knows of mosaicking software that uses different types of pointing information, please let me know. I'm going to have to jump through some hoops to get permission to post this, and I don't want to bother if nobody can really do anything with the data. |
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| Posted on: Nov 12 2012, 06:52 AM | |
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Yes - please provide us with the metadata for MAHLI and both MastCams if possible. I'm only talking about the MAHLI metadata for the self-portrait, and it'd be nice if you gave me some indication of how it would help processing. I've already discussed my inability to release metadata in general; it will be included with the PDS archive. |
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| Posted on: Nov 12 2012, 03:40 AM | |
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But oh boy, what bear to render. Figuring out the right projection so that no part of the image is too stretched is pretty tricky. And anaglyphing from 2 mosaics that always seem to render slightly differently and aligning them for minimal eye strain even more of a headache. Yes, we've been having the same problems. Your version is really nice and definitely shows that you can get reasonable stereo out of the whole thing. If anybody would find the metadata of use, let me know and I can probably provide it. We're just using hugin for this ourselves at this point and making no use of the metadata. Also, removing the shutter smear would be nice. I'll see if I can post that as well if nobody beats me to it. |
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| Posted on: Nov 11 2012, 09:36 PM | |
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still waiting on those few AWOL frames to complete the full anaglyph mosaic... I think the last missing frames came down last this past Thursday. We're still slowly working on the individual mosaics but I'll be interested to see if anyone builds the complete mosaic and how well it can be fused. |
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| Posted on: Nov 6 2012, 11:23 PM | |
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My guess is it true? I wonder, what was the "The contamination test"? Is what true? The contamination test referred to was a very sensitive survey for outgassing products, having nothing to do with the crud on the focal plane. I've talked about the crud on the focal plane several times already. |
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| Posted on: Nov 2 2012, 02:54 PM | |
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BTW, as far as I know we have no immediate plans for a 3D release, so you guys can go nuts with that. |
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| Posted on: Nov 2 2012, 03:34 AM | |
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Can we assume that this is a best current cut of what the Gale environment near noon would look like with our own eyes, then? No way, nor do we represent it as such. This is raw camera color and then whatever the hugin level matching did to it, with a big patch of fake sky. If you look at the raw frames you can see the exposure was all over the place, each frame was autoexposed. All that said, the rover body came out pretty white so I don't think the color is too far off. I'd have worried more about that if we had more time, but it took a while to get all the tiepoints right. BTW, the idea for the self-portrait came from my colleague Mike Ravine, who also did all of the hugin driving after I gave him the blemish-removed, desmeared images. |
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| Posted on: Nov 2 2012, 12:11 AM | |
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I will be sure to hold off in the future... The self-portrait was kind of a special case. Many of the mosaics being shot (e.g. with Mastcam) are unlikely to get special treatment or even an official release, and those seem like fair game with proper credit. Hopefully the self-portrait will be one of the iconic images of the mission, so we feel a bit proprietary about it (especially since it's been a long road getting the whole sequence designed and then convincing everyone to take it.) The real unsung heroes are the rover planners at JPL for figuring out how to make the arm behave as desired -- they've been great. I think the official release is just going up now. |
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| Posted on: Nov 1 2012, 05:59 PM | |
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Kinda like this? Yes. Now do http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/ms...0025E1_DXXX.jpg -- it's harder. |
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