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| Posted on: Aug 7 2012, 10:42 PM | |
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| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #187533 · Replies: 1152 · Views: 962313 |
| Posted on: Aug 7 2012, 10:24 PM | |
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What am I doing wrong, and how can the IFOV be smaller when the FOV is larger? I don't think you did anything wrong. Either the numbers in the paper are confused, which would be kinda embarrassing since IIRC I computed them, or there is some distortion over the field which makes the full field wider than it would be if the IFOV at the center was constant. I'm hoping it's the latter but I'll check. [edit] That's my story. The IFOV is computed from the effective focal length, which gets longer at increasing focus distance, but the FOV is computed from the field distortion of the optical model. The IFOV is really changing over the field and the quoted value is just at the center pixel. |
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| Posted on: Aug 7 2012, 10:07 PM | |
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And do we have any UMSF people who can clue us into whether the new test is successful with the tweaked bias parameter? Much as it pains me to mention this, you have to appreciate that those of us on the team are subject to rules about what we can and can't say. If you're high enough up the food chain (*cough*Rob*cough*) maybe you can get away with skirting those, but I sure can't |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #187524 · Replies: 1152 · Views: 962313 |
| Posted on: Aug 7 2012, 04:48 PM | |
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| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #187419 · Replies: 1152 · Views: 962313 |
| Posted on: Aug 7 2012, 04:35 PM | |
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| Forum: Tech, General and Imagery · Post Preview: #187414 · Replies: 945 · Views: 730015 |
| Posted on: Aug 7 2012, 04:32 PM | |
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I wonder if any thought was given to using the Hazcams, in addition to MARDI, to make a descent and landing movie? Frame rates from the ecams are very low and there was a desire to not load the RCE up doing anything not critical to landing (MARDI was running autonomously and not sending anything to the rover during descent; recall our PHX experience?) |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #187413 · Replies: 1152 · Views: 962313 |
| Posted on: Aug 7 2012, 02:58 PM | |
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The different format for the rawids from the science side doesn't even include the timecode. Challenging! And only four digits reserved for sol number, what's that about I had nothing to do with it, believe me. My design would have been a lot easier to deal with. I think the big number after the MH is supposed to be a mission-unique image identifier, but there are some issues in how to generate these and it may still be a work in progress. |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #187395 · Replies: 1152 · Views: 962313 |
| Posted on: Aug 7 2012, 02:32 PM | |
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I've been strugling to find more info on the naming conventions of the images. Is anything known about this? (apart from what what can be deferred from the images that are already down) Looks like the engineering cameras will have a different convention from the science cameras unless this gets rationalized. I'll take a guess from the first Navcams: NRA_397586934EDR_T0010008AUT_04096M_.JPG The NRA is Navcam Right A-side RCE. The 397586934 is the spacecraft clock value (0 = 1/1/2000 epoch of J2000 in seconds, ftp://naif.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/naif/MSL/kernels/sclk/msl.tsc). The EDR means Experiment Data Record, JPL-ese for pretty raw data. I'm not sure what the rest is, possibly the sequence ID and some image parameters? I don't see any useful information in the JPEG labels so detailed analysis like pointing, sun angles, etc, would need some ancillary data as on MER. |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #187391 · Replies: 1152 · Views: 962313 |
| Posted on: Aug 6 2012, 11:39 PM | |
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I hope they weren't assuming that the body of the rover would protect the mast cams from blowing dust... The Mastcams are pointed toward the deck when the RSM is stowed, there's a protective lip on the deck all the way around the RSM instruments, and there are long sunshades in front of the lenses, so I think we're good. More dust than I was expecting, though, at least visually. |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #187255 · Replies: 370 · Views: 290187 |
| Posted on: Aug 6 2012, 09:47 PM | |
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| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #187215 · Replies: 1152 · Views: 962313 |
| Posted on: Aug 6 2012, 07:55 AM | |
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There is a low bandwidth ODY pass that will happen in about 10 minutes that may have a couple new HazCams. Does anyone know when the first MARDI images are expected to be downlinked? I saw that 18 had been assigned a (relatively) high priority, but the JPL Ustream was just saying that the current pass would have only a HazCam or two. We're not sure. Something could come down in this pass (thumbnails) but it could get bumped by higher-priority EDL data. Might have to wait for tomorrow morning's passes. |
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| Posted on: Aug 6 2012, 12:55 AM | |
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Any reason it was tungsten specifically? Wouldn't lead work just as well (and be a bit cheaper)? Lead is too soft. Tungsten (or possibly a copper-tungsten alloy which is easier to machine) is much harder. Also, tungsten is denser, allowing volume savings. http://www.e-tungsten.com/top_10_tungsten_reasons.html I'm unaware of any planetary protection restrictions against lead or generally toxic materials. Consider the toxicity of Pu238... |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #186671 · Replies: 50 · Views: 65647 |
| Posted on: Aug 4 2012, 07:57 PM | |
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Since software reliability is something I do know about... I'd like to think I do too; among other things I wrote most of the flight software in the science cameras for MSL (Mastcam/MAHLI/MARDI.) The quote was from an article in the Communications of the ACM, a leading computer science journal. At any rate, all I was suggesting is that quantifying the likelihood of encountering a software bug is potentially meaningless. Obviously we have had many successful runs of the EDL sequence and all known bugs have been dealt with. |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #186556 · Replies: 191 · Views: 90992 |
| Posted on: Aug 4 2012, 06:16 PM | |
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Since NASA was able to come up with risk assessments for the Shuttle (what was it, something like 1 in 100?), not sure why a ballpark number couldn't be put on this one. IMHO, such figures for complex systems that aren't tested a statistically-meaningful number of times are essentially meaningless. IIRC estimates of shuttle reliability before Challenger varied by several orders of magnitude; the 1:100 was just the one that turned out to be right. Also, consider that many failures could be caused by bad software. QUOTE Reliability engineers argue that the correctness of a software product is not a probabilistic phenomenon. The software is either correct (reliability 1.0) or incorrect (reliability 0). If they assume a reliability of 0, they cannot get a useful reliability estimate for the system containing the software. Consequently, they assume correctness. Many consider it nonsense to talk about "reliability of software." CACM, 33, 6 (June 1990) page 643. |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #186552 · Replies: 191 · Views: 90992 |
| Posted on: Jul 13 2012, 10:02 PM | |
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What fluid is used in the loop, Mike? According to http://ntrs.larc.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=201...ICAL%2BSCIENCES both the cruise and surface systems use CFC-11 (freon). |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #185694 · Replies: 57 · Views: 88310 |
| Posted on: Jul 13 2012, 04:12 PM | |
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Is that needed to heat up the joints/bearings? So I guess the ~2000 thermal watts from the RTG are not available for that? The fluid loop that's warmed by the RTG only goes inside the rover body; the actuators and other extremities have to be heated electrically. |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #185690 · Replies: 57 · Views: 88310 |
| Posted on: Jun 27 2012, 03:41 AM | |
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Just have a question, though. It says the "nose will tip upwards by about 20 degrees" when the first set of mass balances are thrown. I thought the nose would tip downwards, to enable a bit of lift by the airshell and heat shield? The lift vector/bank angle is steered during entry in whatever direction is needed to hit the aim point. See http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstre...8/1/08-0255.pdf -- section 4. |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #185214 · Replies: 107 · Views: 82755 |
| Posted on: May 20 2012, 02:03 AM | |
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| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #184510 · Replies: 365 · Views: 228351 |
| Posted on: May 20 2012, 12:39 AM | |
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There are a seven named peaks in Gusev in the vicinity of Spirit. Those names don't appear in the IAU Gazetteer and AFAIK have no standing with the IAU. Look, I'm not arguing with you guys, I agree that this was a confusing and seemingly ill-considered move. It would be interesting to get a statement from Brad Smith, the chair of the IAU Mars Task Group, about why they chose to do this now. |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #184508 · Replies: 365 · Views: 228351 |
| Posted on: May 19 2012, 11:15 PM | |
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The IAU could have just done nothing. True. Maybe there's an interesting insider politics story here. Certainly the IAU didn't feel compelled to name the Columbia Hills out from under the MER team. One can complain: "Any objections to these names based on significant, substantive problems must be forwarded in writing or email to the IAU Division III President within three months from the time the name was placed on the web site." |
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| Posted on: May 19 2012, 11:09 PM | |
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It's worth pointing out that unlike decisions like what defines a planet, nomenclature issues for planetary features are managed by a task group of planetary scientists: see http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/Page/Approved Still seems odd but as Phil points out naming a raised feature after a person just wasn't going to fit with the existing nomenclature convention. |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #184503 · Replies: 365 · Views: 228351 |
| Posted on: Sep 2 2011, 06:44 PM | |
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Apart from this the entire image is completely black (the intensity is exactly 0), there is no stray light on the right side of the image. I assume that this must be because this is a subsection of the original image. Right. That's why I said "may" instead of "will". |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #178275 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Sep 1 2011, 06:15 AM | |
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In case anyone wants to play with the original data, here's a subsection of the first Earth/Moon image from Junocam in completely raw form. If you stretch it you can see some transform artifacts from the lossy compression we applied onboard. You may also see a little stray light from the sun on the right side of the image. Earth appears three times, once in the red, green, and blue bands (top to bottom). Earth is a bit saturated in the red and green bands; the exposure time was 3.2 msec, no TDI, and this is square-root companded. If anyone can do a better job than the color composite we did, I'd be curious to see it. Because of the saturation, I think colorizing the blue channel would work better than a true composite, which tends to be a bit blurry. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #178217 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Aug 5 2011, 11:48 AM | |
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Likewise a departure movie would be possible if Junocam is switched on soon after launch. First payload checkout is around L+20 days when the Earth is a "pale blue dot" as far as Junocam is concerned. I gave Emily an infodump about how Junocam works, expected image counts, when we image, etc, so you can look for that soon, I expect. |
| Forum: Juno · Post Preview: #176877 · Replies: 597 · Views: 607347 |
| Posted on: Feb 19 2010, 12:38 AM | |
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Who said it's anything to do with planetary science? From the first post in this thread: "Fields including atmospheric science, solar physics, microgravity science, planetary science, space life science, space physics, and education and public outreach (EPO) stand to benefit from these vehicles." And isn't this whole topic manned spaceflight, and hence banned by your own rules? |
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