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| Posted on: Oct 30 2008, 11:11 PM | |
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No matter when a fault happens, the space craft should always communicate at a deterministic time. It can only do this if it has power to do so. And remember that Phoenix can only communicate when an orbiter is going overhead, which only happens four times per day for a few minutes each time. So communicating at a deterministic (Earth) time is not something that makes much sense in this case, without the lander remembering a lot more stuff than it would be a good idea for it to rely on to remember (like exactly when the passes are predicted to occur for a long time into the future.) If you do things based on an absolute clock, they had better not fail if that clock goes nuts. It's easier to rely on things you can directly observe. |
| Forum: Phoenix · Post Preview: #129800 · Replies: 87 · Views: 118799 |
| Posted on: Oct 30 2008, 09:43 PM | |
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The thing that's different now is the new opportunities to cooperate with NASA, such as Discovery Missions of Opportunity funding, and more interest in purchasing services along the lines of COTS. The Discovery MOO seems like a stretch, as the program is really designed to fly on missions that would exist for some other reason: funding a mission by flying a MOO on it is sort of the tail wagging the dog. And NASA's interest in COTS is rather notoriously fickle. This, and the fact that the X PRIZE Foundation retains media rights for all of the data obtained in order to win the prize, makes things pretty tough (admittedly you can have separate data/instrumentation, but that just makes things that much harder.) That said, Phil, I have to admire your optimism for assigning any credibility to GLXP at all. |
| Forum: Lunar Exploration · Post Preview: #129795 · Replies: 124 · Views: 206087 |
| Posted on: Oct 30 2008, 06:47 PM | |
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I can't understand why this spare was not dragged out of storage periodically (maybe annually) and tested so that any problems could be identified & resolved long before it was needed. You answered your own question: this would have cost money. Also, the only thing extra this is costing now is time; if they had identified this 5 years ago it still would have been an intermittent problem and hard to fix. Frankly I don't know very many astronomers who think HST is worth the money it costs to run any more, not even counting the cost of SM4, but apparently it's "too well-loved" by the public to just let die. You have to admire the STSCI's ability to do PR, if nothing else. |
| Forum: Telescopic Observations · Post Preview: #129784 · Replies: 28 · Views: 20813 |
| Posted on: Oct 30 2008, 04:25 PM | |
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| Forum: Lunar Exploration · Post Preview: #129765 · Replies: 124 · Views: 206087 |
| Posted on: Oct 29 2008, 06:59 PM | |
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What part of post #1 is confusing? If you do a google search for RAD6000 and read the BAE product brochure, you'll see that these boards also have 3MB of EEPROM. |
| Forum: Spirit · Post Preview: #129694 · Replies: 5 · Views: 11121 |
| Posted on: Oct 29 2008, 12:50 AM | |
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Does anyone know what other navigation cameras will be on MSL? http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/mission/sc_rover_eyes.html |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #129624 · Replies: 157 · Views: 160952 |
| Posted on: Oct 28 2008, 09:43 PM | |
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Getting full Pans in an hour is mentioned - is that using onboard intelligence to produce one data product for downlink ... or is it just a symptom of faster between-frame imaging... The latter. Mercifully nobody ever asked me to implement onboard mosaic construction (and I don't think it would save much downlink anyway.) Also, keep in mind that that's taking a mosaic quickly, not downlinking it quickly. |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #129607 · Replies: 157 · Views: 160952 |
| Posted on: Oct 28 2008, 07:15 PM | |
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The description of the Mastcams has been updated; see http://www.msss.com/msl/mastcam/index.html |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #129600 · Replies: 157 · Views: 160952 |
| Posted on: Oct 24 2008, 07:46 PM | |
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MSL MAHLI delivered: http://www.msss.com/press_releases/mahli_delivery/index.html |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #129409 · Replies: 157 · Views: 160952 |
| Posted on: Oct 23 2008, 04:25 AM | |
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| Forum: Lunar Exploration · Post Preview: #129282 · Replies: 505 · Views: 512128 |
| Posted on: Oct 22 2008, 09:01 PM | |
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What happened to NICMOS in all of this? http://www.stsci.edu/hst/nicmos/localNews?...SafingAndStatus But I guess this hasn't been updated since the SI C&DH anomaly happened. |
| Forum: Telescopic Observations · Post Preview: #129256 · Replies: 28 · Views: 20813 |
| Posted on: Oct 18 2008, 08:19 PM | |
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To the question, "Is TEGA in 20-20 hindsight poorly designed?", I just wondered how you could say "I have no idea". Because I don't even know how successful or unsuccessful TEGA has been, much less how much of that is due to poor design and how much to random variation in circumstances. Of course, maybe you know a lot more about the instrument design and all of the tradeoffs and how it's behaved in flight than I do, which is entirely possible. If not, then I'd say you are jumping to conclusions if you think that TEGA was certainly "poorly designed." |
| Forum: Phoenix · Post Preview: #128946 · Replies: 279 · Views: 225738 |
| Posted on: Oct 18 2008, 05:09 PM | |
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Let me know when you guys develop the ability to predict the future, because it would be a great help in mission planning. Honestly, I think the jury is still out on how well TEGA will end up meeting its mission goals, and whether the design and fabrication were as good as they could have been given reasonable expectations of soil properties. I doubt if the TEGA team will be pulling any punches in the self-criticism department when they write their final result papers. |
| Forum: Phoenix · Post Preview: #128936 · Replies: 279 · Views: 225738 |
| Posted on: Oct 18 2008, 02:48 PM | |
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Phoenix was extensively tested to make sure that all the critical gremlins in the landing process were found. The same dilligence should be applied on the most important science instruments of the mission. Well, duh. (For non-native English speakers, that denotes a reaction to a very obvious statement.) This was done for every instrument on Phoenix. It's just that you really can't test one-shot operations that will be performed in conditions and with materials that simply can't be replicated on Earth, if they are even known in advance. Is TEGA in 20-20 hindsight poorly designed? I have no idea. Was it "extensively tested"? Of course it was. |
| Forum: Phoenix · Post Preview: #128924 · Replies: 279 · Views: 225738 |
| Posted on: Oct 18 2008, 02:17 AM | |
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why the redundant SIC&DH box reportedly hasn't been powered up for all these years... This is *never* done for a cold-spare system. You'd feel like an idiot testing side B only to find that it didn't work and side A broke in the meantime. When MGS was lost, the side B MOC electronics had never been powered during flight at all. |
| Forum: Telescopic Observations · Post Preview: #128894 · Replies: 28 · Views: 20813 |
| Posted on: Oct 16 2008, 03:13 AM | |
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http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/handle/2014/23848 may be of interest. |
| Forum: Past and Future · Post Preview: #128759 · Replies: 11 · Views: 19359 |
| Posted on: Oct 15 2008, 05:56 PM | |
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If it's roughly the same as the '98 one, the ADC is 12bit. It's got nothing in common with the Planetary Society microphone, but it's not 8 bits. "DSP561xx processors are noteworthy because they include a sigma-delta codec on-chip. The sigma-delta codec provides linear, analog I/O with 16-bit resolution over a bandwidth of approximately 4 kHz. Motorola states that the codec has a signal to noise-plus-distortion ratio of greater than 60 dB. " As always with ADCs, though, caveat emptor about how many of the stated bits are actually significant... QUOTE Prepare to be unamazed by the quality. Indeed. |
| Forum: Phoenix · Post Preview: #128729 · Replies: 51 · Views: 84525 |
| Posted on: Oct 15 2008, 04:19 PM | |
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The recordings of Martian sounds would make a dramatic backdrop for every image of Mars ever captured. Let me try to lower your expectations. The audio is only digitized at 8 KHz (telephone quality at best), so even if it does work, IMHO it's not going to "make a dramatic backdrop" to anything. |
| Forum: Phoenix · Post Preview: #128723 · Replies: 51 · Views: 84525 |
| Posted on: Oct 9 2008, 02:46 AM | |
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| Forum: Phoenix · Post Preview: #128216 · Replies: 51 · Views: 84525 |
| Posted on: Oct 9 2008, 02:33 AM | |
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| Forum: Phoenix · Post Preview: #128213 · Replies: 51 · Views: 84525 |
| Posted on: Oct 9 2008, 12:47 AM | |
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Does anyone know where the SSI exposure times might be tabulated? I need them to compute some exposure times for another instrument on the surface that may be operated soon |
| Forum: Phoenix · Post Preview: #128195 · Replies: 51 · Views: 84525 |
| Posted on: Oct 7 2008, 03:44 AM | |
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My reading of the tea leaves is the whole Mars Program is in serious trouble. JPL tried to do too big of a technological jump from MER to MSL and hit a brick wall. Is this view based on anything except your opinion and reading of the media reports? I would suggest that further discussion on this thread wait for the outcome of the NASA HQ review. |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #127995 · Replies: 86 · Views: 76161 |
| Posted on: Oct 7 2008, 03:42 AM | |
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I imagine that someone at NASA has thought of this, but perhaps the best way to handle MSL's "situation" would be to delay its launch until 2010. From the article referenced upthread: "If the science lander is delayed, it could be launched in 2010 and parked in a solar orbit until 2011, when Mars is again in range of Earth, Green said." |
| Forum: MSL · Post Preview: #127994 · Replies: 86 · Views: 76161 |
| Posted on: Oct 1 2008, 01:33 PM | |
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Because clouds on Mars were not a new discovery, not a unique new finding. Snow is. Snow was observed by MOLA on MGS: http://ssed.gsfc.nasa.gov/tharsis/clouds&snow.html |
| Forum: Phoenix · Post Preview: #127337 · Replies: 416 · Views: 293277 |
| Posted on: Sep 26 2008, 10:55 PM | |
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It also mentions (in a graph) putting 1.2 tons into "Mars XFER". I was trying to see how that compares to either Phoenix or MSL, but I can't quite find the equivalent numbers. PHX injected mass was 670 kg, but one always has to be careful about the specifics of the transfer orbit for any given mission, since the C3 to Mars can vary by a factor of 2. You need more information than a single number to assess mission feasibility. MSL injected mass is, according to http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/mission/spacecraft.html, about 3400 kg. |
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