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mcaplinger
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QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Sep 8 2021, 12:56 PM) *
Mike, so really no way to get 84 frames from a full spin image?

Seriously, it's not trivial because of some timing limitations. We only took this image for Io, though I question if there was much point given the range. It does seem like Murphy's law always splits the image across the planet, we've had that problem since Earth flyby. Maybe there is some systematics in the spin phase we have never learned about.
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QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Sep 8 2021, 12:56 PM) *
Mike, so really no way to get 84 frames from a full spin image?

Sure, it's easy. We only do it this way to irritate you personally. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 17 2021, 06:18 AM) *
Perhaps an interesting test here would be Ganymede. Do the images of Ganymede (Io, Europa) taken before 2021 show a different color balance than the images from 2021?

Bjorn did this already also, upthread. I would prefer to do it for Europa, but don't have convenient tools to identify photobombing moons.
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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Aug 17 2021, 05:23 AM) *
A crude way to estimate the radiation dose might be to count spikes/bright pixels in the images.

Unfortunately it's hard to correlate radiation effects in the sensor like this ("displacement damage dose") to overall radiation dose that damages glass ("total ionizing dose".)

We see a slow increase in warm pixels but it's been very gradual (also hard to control for orbit-to-orbit temperature variations.)
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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Aug 16 2021, 05:24 PM) *
[filters are] one possibility I think. Another possibility is that the lens might be becoming slightly brownish due to radiation.

The filters are interference coatings on rad-hard fused silica substrates. If you look at figure 15 in the Junocam paper, we intentionally went to some lengths to use rad-hard glass for the first five elements, and the non-hard elements have a lot of titanium shielding around them. And the CCD (and filters) are enclosed in a copper-tungsten housing. https://www.missionjuno.swri.edu/pub/e/down...each_Camera.pdf

We have little idea of what actual total dose the instrument has seen, but we certainly weren't anticipating any gross optical effects like browning. And if we did see those, one would expect it to be gradual and cumulative, unless a single perijove pass got a large fraction of the overall total dose. I don't think there's any evidence of that, but I'm not really current on what the results of the radiation monitoring effort are.
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QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 13 2021, 08:20 AM) *
If someone would like to take raw HST images (which are publicly available) from two separate dates and process them in comparable fashion, that would give us a clean result.

Which Bjorn did back on post 23.
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QUOTE (Holder of the Two Leashes @ Aug 11 2021, 07:33 AM) *
Question: can they reuse the tube they tried to fill, or is it toast?

AFAIK (and strongly implied by the press release) the tube has been sealed and stored, so no reuse. The mechanism is complex enough without expecting it to be able to run backwards too.
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Probably this was shadowing by the blades from the dustfall at the previous landing.
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QUOTE (serpens @ Aug 10 2021, 05:13 PM) *
Link to a detailed description of the capture drill and methodology.

I believe, as I alluded to upthread, that this is a slightly out-of-date description, not exactly what they ended up flying. This paper describes what Honeybee called One Bit One Core (OBOC).

That said, it does capture the basic idea. There are three types of bits, one for solid rock cores, one for loose soil or regolith, and one for abrading (doesn't capture a sample). AFAIK, it's the first that resulted in the missing core.
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QUOTE (tau @ Aug 9 2021, 10:32 AM) *
That is, the pile may be what the core should be (just a hypothesis).

Does the pile really look like it has enough volume to equal that of the hole?
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I'm pretty sure that the final design is what Honeybee called "One Breakoff System One Core (OBSOC)" in https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2014/pdf/1168.pdf if that helps.
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QUOTE (MahFL @ Aug 8 2021, 10:34 AM) *
These cores they drill, are they or are they not solid plugs of rock ?, if they are solid how is the bottom part broken off from the rock they are drilling ?

They can be solid. I'm not sure how regolith is sampled, there may be multiple bit types [edit: yes, there are six coring bits, a regolith bit, and 2 abrading bits, see Mars 2020 Rover Adaptive Caching Assembly: Caching Martian Samples for Potential Earth Return, in the 45th AMS conference proceedings]. Unfortunately the SSR paper about the SCS is paywalled. See https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/bitstream/handle/2...L%2317-1087.pdf for some discussion of the core breakoff mechanism (page 5.)

There are lots of references but many are old and I'm not sure what the system that flew ended up looking like.
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QUOTE (Floyd @ Aug 7 2021, 01:01 PM) *
If grey balanced, wouldn't that counter an increase in the averaged red channel? You may see your reddening in the un-grey balanced map-projected images.

Yes, certainly. And you can definitely see a color difference if you simply look at these two images in raw form.

The question is whether this is 1) a change in Junocam, 2) a change in Jupiter, or 3) a change in the illumination geometry. (I think we can rule out the illumination itself changing color.)

I vote for 2, and there are independent observations that suggest this is happening, at least for some areas.

One could perhaps look at the colors of the moons in various Junocam images over time to see if there has been a gross change in instrument response unrelated to the jovian atmosphere. Europa is probably the most color-neutral target.
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QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Aug 7 2021, 10:56 AM) *
I believe the the missionjuno images include a correction for illumination intensity change due to change in SOLAR_DISTANCE.

Nope. The only files that use this value are the PDS-archived RDR files, which are all normalized for solar distance as described in the documentation.

The outreach map-projected RGB images on missionjuno have a lambertian shading correction applied and are then arbitrarily white-balanced, there is no explicit response function applied. The component map-projected images don't have the shading correction or the white balance, but are otherwise photometrically out of the camera (they have some blemish removal.)
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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Aug 7 2021, 07:36 AM) *
Now I am wondering how the color is corrected in these map projected images.

They are simply white-balanced using a gray-world algorithm.
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Posted on: Aug 5 2021, 08:21 PM


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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Aug 4 2021, 07:20 AM) *
Here is an example of the color change I'm seeing from PJ20 to PJ35.

Probably a real change of Jupiter's. For example, https://britastro.org/node/25892 says

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The EZ still has orange coloration, which has re-intensified to become darker and more vivid than it was a year ago.

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QUOTE (JRehling @ Aug 3 2021, 12:47 PM) *
It sounds like this is not the issue for this flyby, but what is the resolution of a control point?

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19880057291

Unfortunately if there's an online version I don't know where.
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QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 1 2021, 10:47 AM) *
but I don't see how you could get an unsaturated solar disc image without a solar filter.

google for "cmos black sun".
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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jul 26 2021, 04:49 AM) *
What I'm suspicious about is the value 120 msecs which is unusually large. Which value are you adding to START_TIME for e.g. image PJ35_71?

What kernels are you using? I'm seeing an offset of about 30 msec for that image using spk_pre_210607_211016_210712_otm35_p.bsp and juno_sc_rec_210720_210721_v01.bc
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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jul 23 2021, 05:35 PM) *
Either I'm messing something up or there are unusually large errors in one or more kernel files released following PJ35.

Not saying this is your issue, but I'll note that any use of a C kernel relies on having an up-to-date SCLK-SCET kernel, even if you're not making any explicit use of SCLK values otherwise. I've been burned by this several times.
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QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Jul 23 2021, 02:07 PM) *
I see PJ35 has two TDI=16 Exposure=51.2ms images of Ganymede (PJ35_02 and PJ35_10).
I wonder what those are trying to observe (geysers, atmosphere, something else)?

Jupitershine? We were just trying it out since we had the available data volume.
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QUOTE (john_s @ Jul 22 2021, 03:01 PM) *
Alas for us old-timers who have used West longitudes forever, East longitudes are going to be the new standard for the Galilean satellites.

We lost this battle for Mars back in 2001. https://www.msss.com/mgcwg/mgm/letter.txt
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First group of images, including Ganymede, now on missionjuno. More to follow.
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QUOTE (MichaelJWP @ Jul 22 2021, 03:05 AM) *
presumably as NASA is a public funded body this paper as a PDF should be available without a paywall

I suspect this is more complex than you think. Current NASA policy is described at https://sti.nasa.gov/submit-to-pubspace/ but this is still evolving and there's a 12-month lag. Many NASA center and JPL documents eventually show up on https://ntrs.nasa.gov/

Authors who wrote papers that are open-access at the journal paid that journal for the service out of their own funding streams, it's not required.
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Ganymede is only about 120 pixels across at this distance in Junocam images. We're taking some, but they're not going to be comparable to PJ34's images.
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