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| Posted on: Mar 29 2021, 03:52 AM | |
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BTW, just a reminder: I'm not authorized to say anything about the inner workings of these missions. So I have to do this complicated dance where I quote stuff from papers, press kits, and web sites that anybody can see. It seems like the best source of current information at the moment, such as it is, is from twitter https://twitter.com/NASAPersevere #MarsHelicopter #Mars2020 |
| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #251252 · Replies: 178 · Views: 141331 |
| Posted on: Mar 29 2021, 03:31 AM | |
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From https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11214-020-00755-x QUOTE The Mastcam-Z focal plane array (FPA) and electronics are essentially build-to-print copies of the heritage MSL Mastcam FPA (Malin et al. 2017)... Details of the sensor, electronics, and timing signals for the FPA are identical to those described for MSL Mastcam and are thus only summarized here. |
| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #251251 · Replies: 178 · Views: 141331 |
| Posted on: Mar 28 2021, 10:28 PM | |
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I understand that MastCam Z has video capability at 4 fps for the full sensor area but subsample areas can be selected. What frame rate will its video of Ingenuity be - 30 fps ? From https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/spacecraft/instru...for-scientists/ QUOTE Each camera is capable of acquiring images at very high frame rates compared to previous missions, including 720p high definition video (1280 × 720 pixels) at ~10 frames per second. |
| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #251249 · Replies: 178 · Views: 141331 |
| Posted on: Mar 27 2021, 03:44 PM | ||
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I've not found anything on how the microphone is mounted to the Rover. It's described very well, with a figure, in Maki et al https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11214-020-00765-9 As you can see, the EDL microphone is hard-mounted to a bracket right above one of the wheels, whereas the Supercam microphone is up on the RSM. So more coupling to the chassis and more driving noise is only to be expected from the EDL microphone. |
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| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #251226 · Replies: 309 · Views: 147498 |
| Posted on: Mar 26 2021, 11:23 PM | |
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I hear Ingenuity's window of operation will last about 30 days. When does the 30 days start? https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/press_kits/ma...g_press_kit.pdf QUOTE Once Ingenuity is deployed to the surface, it has 30 sols (31 Earth Days) to complete its activities. The first phase is a commissioning process that is expected to take about a week; then the first flight tests begin. |
| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #251212 · Replies: 818 · Views: 437256 |
| Posted on: Mar 24 2021, 05:27 PM | |
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It's not straightforward to compare computing power in objective units... Indeed. "Lies, damn lies, and benchmarks", to paraphrase Twain. Who cares how fast anything is if it's fast enough to do what it needs to do? All the MSSS embedded processors on Mars are 40 MHz IPC=1 RISCS with 128Kbytes of SRAM. |
| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #251168 · Replies: 7 · Views: 14923 |
| Posted on: Mar 24 2021, 04:30 PM | |
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A citation for the above quoted text: https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/bitstream/handle/2...L%2317-6243.pdf I believe. A more detailed reference for the telecom system with some good detail about the helicopter in general is https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/bitstream/handle/2...L%2318-3381.pdf |
| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #251164 · Replies: 7 · Views: 14923 |
| Posted on: Mar 23 2021, 02:38 PM | |
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| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #251142 · Replies: 178 · Views: 141331 |
| Posted on: Mar 23 2021, 02:58 AM | |
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The sclk (mission time) filename (and json) field appears to start on Jan 1st, 2000... 0 is 2000-001T11:58:55.816 ("epoch of J2000" in Coordinated Universal Time.) This then drifts as a function of rover clock rate and is tracked by the NAIF file that Fred linked to, so you need to use the NAIF function scs2e or something like that to get a usable time. https://naif.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/naif/toolkit_...C/req/sclk.html |
| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #251140 · Replies: 178 · Views: 141331 |
| Posted on: Mar 21 2021, 07:35 PM | |
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| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #251110 · Replies: 818 · Views: 437256 |
| Posted on: Mar 15 2021, 08:13 PM | |
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I think it would be smart to create or define clearly some very specific topics that those discussions can be herded into and have some general information ones where we can all see the broad events that happen each Sol. The mods do this to a pretty significant extent already and have done so for years. At the end of the day, there are going to be limits to how well any thread will match what you're interested in, and you may just have to scroll past some stuff. That said, I'm sure some posters could be less discursive or avoid posting obviously off-topic material. |
| Forum: Forum Guide · Post Preview: #250991 · Replies: 130 · Views: 814115 |
| Posted on: Mar 14 2021, 06:07 PM | |
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So along with images of the terrain from altitude, I hope we get some images of Perseverance from Ingenuity as well. If you read the press kit, you'll see that for safety reasons the helicopter never gets anywhere close to the rover (130ish meters), so this is not very likely, considering that the max altitude is stated as 5 meters. [edit: I don't know how wide the FOV of the "horizon facing" color camera is or how it's pointed, so maybe there is some possibility it can catch the rover.] |
| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #250955 · Replies: 818 · Views: 437256 |
| Posted on: Mar 13 2021, 05:56 PM | |
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My question to anyone more familiar with the operations is will the rover now move away from that dropped cover before ejecting Ingenuity's cover or can they both be dropped in the same place. https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/press_kits/ma...ion/spacecraft/ QUOTE The debris shield will remain in place until just days before Ingenuity is deployed to the surface... About 60 days after landing, the delivery system will deploy the helicopter... I'm not sure if the timetable in the press kit still holds, but this suggests that the heli debris shield drop won't happen soon, considering that https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/spacecraft/rover/body/ said QUOTE Note that for new Sampling and Caching interior workspace, the belly pan in that front end of the rover is dropped soon after the rover lands. |
| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #250926 · Replies: 818 · Views: 437256 |
| Posted on: Mar 12 2021, 04:54 PM | |
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If "camera_position" is correct at (2.08195,-0.111422,-1.69411) then WATSON's eyeball would be a fairly high 1.7m off the ground... I take it back, perhaps this is correct. Should be possible to find the WATSON footprint in the front Hazcam image. I've asked if the focus position can be put back into the public data, but we don't have much control over that. |
| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #250905 · Replies: 178 · Views: 141331 |
| Posted on: Mar 10 2021, 07:08 PM | |
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Anyone know if "nylon" zip ties have been used on previous rovers or if they are new to Perseverance? Feel free to peruse https://nepp.nasa.gov/files/27631/NSTD87394A.pdf and learn how to tie lacing tape knots, use zip ties (the doc calls them "plastic straps"), etc. If there's specific guidance about when to use one instead of the other I'm not sure what it is, but I've never been great at tying knots in lacing tape (I've worked with techs who could do it one-handed, really quite impressive.) |
| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #250841 · Replies: 477 · Views: 263318 |
| Posted on: Mar 10 2021, 03:17 PM | |
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| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #250834 · Replies: 178 · Views: 141331 |
| Posted on: Mar 9 2021, 04:48 PM | |
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So moon imaging should be very similar. Fred is correct, MCZ will not improve significantly on images like https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA17350 |
| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #250796 · Replies: 178 · Views: 141331 |
| Posted on: Mar 7 2021, 08:33 PM | |
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Some interesting info in https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/bitstream/handle/2...L%2318-3381.pdf -- stuff in JPL TRS is circa 2018 so might be out of date though. |
| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #250699 · Replies: 818 · Views: 437256 |
| Posted on: Mar 7 2021, 07:56 PM | |
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https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/bitstream/handle/2...L%2317-6243.pdf QUOTE After landing, the rover will begin traversing to the closest ROI. On the way to the ROI, using orbital data, the rover could be directed to areas that likely meet the requirements for deploying the helicopter and flying the technology demonstration sorties. These areas would have to have low slopes and sufficient surface texture for accurate tracking by the demonstrator’s navigation filter during flight and few rocks higher than 5 cm to interfere with its landing. The rover would need to image the area being considered at higher resolution than from orbit using stereo rover Navigation camera images to determine if it meets the requirements. If the area for landed helicopter operations is a patch about 10m×10m and outbound sorties lengths are 100 m, then analysis of orbital images and stereo digital elevation models indicates that the rover would need to traverse less than 200 m in over 90% of the landing ellipses to find suitable areas for deploying and flying the helicopter. |
| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #250698 · Replies: 818 · Views: 437256 |
| Posted on: Mar 7 2021, 06:35 PM | |
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Should we create a new topic that is discussion about the helicopter? You could, but at this point, it would likely have nothing in it but speculation from those who don't know and silent frustration from those who know but can't say. All of your observations are completely accurate as far as I know. |
| Forum: Perseverance- Mars 2020 Rover · Post Preview: #250691 · Replies: 818 · Views: 437256 |
| Posted on: Mar 7 2021, 04:36 PM | |
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| Forum: Chit Chat · Post Preview: #250684 · Replies: 17 · Views: 15155 |
| Posted on: Mar 4 2021, 09:31 PM | |
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https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-awa...r-sample-return QUOTE The cost-plus, fixed-fee contract has a potential mission services value of $60.2 million and a maximum potential value of $84.5 million. Work on MAPS begins immediately with a 14-month base period, followed by two option periods that may be exercised at NASA’s discretion... Marshall is responsible for the MSR Program’s MAV element, which is a two-stage vehicle that will be a critical element in supporting MSR to retrieve and return the samples that the Mars 2020 Perseverance rover will collect for return to Earth. The Martian environment will be a significant factor in the design, development, manufacturing, testing, and qualification of two different solid rocket motors with multiple deliveries of each. Through the MAPS contract, Northrop Grumman will provide the propulsion systems for the MAV, as well as other supporting equipment and logistics services. |
| Forum: Past and Future · Post Preview: #250537 · Replies: 579 · Views: 574619 |
| Posted on: Mar 4 2021, 04:16 PM | |
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I don't think the ban on cooperation extends also to innocent espionage activities. Not sure what point you're trying to make. To image during the landing, the MRO team would have to know the time and place weeks or months in advance, adjust the spacecraft's orbit, and plan the images. If CNSA doesn't make that information public on that timescale, it's not happening. Post-landing imaging might be easier if there was some information about where to look. |
| Forum: Tianwen 1- 2020 Orbiter/Lander · Post Preview: #250525 · Replies: 102 · Views: 104933 |
| Posted on: Mar 4 2021, 04:09 PM | |
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As much as I like the album cover, it was not original, but a repurposed graphic originally produced by a grad student at Cornell. Peter Saville's only innovation was to invert the colors. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sa-vis...um-cover-video/ |
| Forum: Chit Chat · Post Preview: #250524 · Replies: 2 · Views: 4655 |
| Posted on: Mar 4 2021, 05:59 AM | |
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Is the low sun angle why the polar cap isn't bright white like we see in other images (both Hubble and other orbiters?) Pretty typical for this season. See https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap980924.html for example. |
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