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mcaplinger
Posted on: Jul 31 2020, 10:34 PM


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QUOTE (Steve G @ Jul 31 2020, 02:05 PM) *
I'm curious about MOXIE. It separates oxygen from the carbon in CO2. The Oxygen is released as a gas, but what form will the carbon be?

Dumped as gaseous carbon monoxide and unseparated CO2. It's worth noting that AFAIK the O2 is not actually collected, just measured to see that it existed. You could ask how useful this really is, but I'm not a chemist so my opinion doesn't count.

https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/marsdust2017/pdf/6036.pdf
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Posted on: Jul 30 2020, 09:47 PM


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QUOTE (vjkane @ Jul 30 2020, 10:05 AM) *
Been wondering when [the M2020 special issue of SSR] was going to come out.

The MSL special issue didn't come out until a month or so after MSL landed, and I wouldn't expect anything faster with this one.
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Posted on: Jul 30 2020, 04:41 PM


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QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Jul 30 2020, 08:21 AM) *
At the press conference, they said it seems to have been solved and they have good telemetry!

At 39 bits/sec. DSN Now shows uplink from Canberra DSS-34, they are probably trying to get the rate up to some normal value.

I have no source of information better than anyone else's.
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Posted on: Jul 30 2020, 04:39 PM


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QUOTE (Tom Tamlyn @ Jul 30 2020, 08:27 AM) *
Emily Lakdawalla has noted that she has not yet been able to get detailed information about Perseverance’s additional EDL cameras.

There's a paper about them all for the upcoming M2020 Space Science Reviews issue. I've seen some stuff in the media about them: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/nasa-mar...ng-video-2020-7
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Posted on: Jul 29 2020, 10:38 PM


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Also, as I understand it, peanuts are only appropriate for landings in accordance with the start of the custom with Ranger 7. smile.gif

Not clear, though I don't pretend to understand the specifics of the JPL usage. https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/news/10022/lucky-peanuts/

I'm pretty sure they can't actually hurt, though.
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Posted on: Jul 20 2020, 04:46 PM


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QUOTE (vjkane @ Jul 19 2020, 02:56 PM) *
Small is always hard.

For the payload, small is not the issue, we've been doing small science instruments for decades. But I can't discuss the mission further beyond what can be gleaned from https://www.lpi.usra.edu/sbag/meetings/jun2...ns/Hartzell.pdf and other public sources.
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Posted on: Jul 19 2020, 06:32 PM


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QUOTE (vjkane @ Jul 19 2020, 05:13 AM) *
You might want to note the simple instrumentation of both missions...

As one of the developers for the Janus payload, I'm reminded of one of my favorite quotes from THE PRESTIGE: "Simple, maybe, but not easy." rolleyes.gif
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Posted on: Jul 11 2020, 08:18 PM


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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jul 9 2020, 07:06 PM) *
Eventually they intend to produce full panoramas with two or three different illumination directions.

All of the images through sol 480 are released through PDS at https://pds-imaging.jpl.nasa.gov/data/nsyt/insight_cameras/ in multiple forms (including ones where spacecraft structure is helpfully masked out) but even though their SIS describes multiple flavors of mosaics, 3D grids, etc, I don't think any of those have been released yet; at least I couldn't find them.
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Posted on: Jul 9 2020, 06:43 PM


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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jul 9 2020, 09:31 AM) *
That 360 view looks really nice, but it's not real. It is a partial panorama with gaps filled by cloning.

I should have suspected as much, but I still don't know just how many gaps remain if you look at the whole image dataset.
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Posted on: Jul 9 2020, 06:40 PM


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QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jul 9 2020, 10:11 AM) *
Huh? I didn't complain! blink.gif

Read the past few messages. I wasn't sure what point you were trying to make in that context. Certainly there has been some complaining in this thread.
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Posted on: Jul 9 2020, 05:07 PM


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QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jul 8 2020, 04:05 PM) *
I hope that the arm can now be freed up to complete the panorama imaging. I could really use a full panorama, foreground as well as horizon.

https://www.planetary.org/multimedia/space-...trait-as-a.html seems pretty complete, though it's hard to tell what gaps might have been filled and how.

I couldn't find an "official version" of the 360 pan anywhere, or even a well-documented amateur version -- maybe there's one upthread here?

I could bug Justin Maki about this but I've already bugged him enough for M2020 stuff.
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Posted on: Jul 9 2020, 03:44 PM


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QUOTE (Decepticon @ Jul 9 2020, 06:25 AM) *
I thought dragonfly starts its flight right away. After decent and deployment.

And then it descends under power and lands after a fairly limited flight.

I think we should define a rule banning complaining about not going to lakes.
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Posted on: Jul 3 2020, 12:03 AM


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QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Jul 2 2020, 02:47 PM) *
The MissionJuno web site changed their citizen science image upload licensing terms, removing Creative Commons options.

Huh. They did this unilaterally without telling anybody on the Junocam team, anyway. I'll inquire as to what's going on. I agree with any criticism anyone could have about this.
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Posted on: Jun 26 2020, 12:02 AM


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QUOTE (MichaelJWP @ Jun 25 2020, 01:26 AM) *
Not sure how much of the system has been upgraded for this mission though.

A good source of information is the JPL Tech Report Server at https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov . Go there and search for "skycrane". See, for example, https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/bitstream/handle/2...L%2316-2401.pdf
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Posted on: Jun 22 2020, 09:32 PM


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More information about the helicopter here: https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/bitstream/handle/2...L%2317-6243.pdf
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Posted on: Jun 18 2020, 12:50 AM


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QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Jun 17 2020, 04:20 PM) *
Mike, was flight software doing anything "special" for PJ27_40 (Io on limb image)?

Gee, is that Io? I wonder if we were trying to image that event deliberately?

No, nothing special that I know of. We haven't done our timing analysis yet.
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Posted on: Jun 16 2020, 05:44 PM


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QUOTE (Paolo @ Jun 16 2020, 12:45 AM) *
IIRC Soviet probes of the 2MV and 3MV series (e.g. Zond 3) used fluid loops for thermal control

When I said "fluid loop" I meant "fluid loop heated by the RTG". Look at the Cassini and Galileo examples, that had big RTGs and a whole bunch of little RHUs, leaving all the RTG heat just being wasted into space. Of course fluid loops have their own problems.

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The energy is not really wasted, the motors and joints have to be warmed up to work correctly on Mars...


Depends on your definition of "wasted". The original plan for MSL was to use dry lubricants that wouldn't require any heating to operate. This proved unworkable and was one of the major reasons for the launch slip from 2009 to 2011: see https://www.thespacereview.com/article/1319/1
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Posted on: Jun 15 2020, 07:45 PM


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The RHU discussion is interesting but as noted neither MSL nor M2020 use them; they use a fluid loop that is directly heated by waste heat from the RTG, and electrical heaters for external components. AFAIK no non-rover has ever used a fluid loop, but I could be mistaken.

https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/bitstream/handle/2...15-2733_A1b.pdf has a discussion of the fairly minor thermal-control changes between MSL and M2020.
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Posted on: Jun 14 2020, 02:20 AM


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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jun 13 2020, 05:33 PM) *
Do these revised times include the 61.88 msec that need to be added to add to the START_TIMES or do I need to add 61.88 msec to the revised START_TIMES? I'm pretty sure it's the latter (that I need to add 61.88) but it's important to be 100% certain.

You have to add the value of INS-61504_START_TIME_BIAS, yes.

We have to do it this way to preserve compatibility with the definition of the processing chain and how it was implemented in ISIS3.
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Posted on: Jun 13 2020, 12:06 AM


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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jun 11 2020, 12:31 PM) *
I recently noticed files at the PDS from earlier perijoves (e.g. PJ17) where the START_TIMES are higher than in the metadata files originally released a few days after the images were acquired. Are these the revised START_TIMES? Also I assume the START_TIMES in the data released immediately after a flyby are not affected (i.e. are still inaccurate) but correct START_TIMES appear once that data is released to the PDS?

You mean on volume JNOJNC_0012, correct? We haven't changed anything on earlier volumes, they are immutable.

If I'm following your question, basically yes. The latest version of each image has the best timing, and eventually the timing correction will be applied for version 1 images for new data (that may have happened already for volume 0012 PJ21 and PJ22 data.) The metadata at missionjuno will never have the updated timing, AFAIK (there is no plan to go back and patch images that are already there.)
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Posted on: Jun 10 2020, 11:07 PM


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QUOTE (7B8 @ Jun 10 2020, 03:01 AM) *
At the end it shows some helicopter test flights on a very smooth and hard surface. The landing looks bouncy and fast. I assume the legs have been designed to prevent the helicopter from toppling over under most conditions.

Those are early tests. I'm pretty confident that they have smoothed it out quite a bit. I've crashed more than my share of small helicopters and if they haven't smoothed it out since that video, it will tip over for sure on any natural terrain.
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QUOTE (PaulH51 @ Jun 7 2020, 04:16 PM) *
I not convinced that the science and engineering tethers are one continuous piece of ribbon...

They are separate. The science tether is the cable that connects to the mole. The engineering tether connects the spacecraft to the support structure. There's a diagram in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_Flow_and...perties_Package
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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jun 7 2020, 02:47 PM) *
Many (but not all) of the images from perijove 27 are now available.

Just so everyone is aware (I don't remember if we've ever explained this): we process and post the images pretty much as soon as we get them in complete form. Depending on downlink pass quality, we can end up with partial images that have dropped data in them, and these gaps have to be filled in by commanding their retransmission. Usually this process doesn't happen on weekends, but you can expect most or all of these images to show up in the next few days.

For PJ27, there are some nice views of the GRS on the outbound leg to look forward to.
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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Oct 15 2019, 04:01 PM) *
This is a map-projected mosaic of PJ22 images 39 to 43 in approximately true color/contrast and enhanced versions...

Bjorn, could you describe your workflow for getting the brightness matching to work so well from image to image for these products? I've been using a simple lambertian removal and it doesn't work very well at all, at least for the full range of geometries over the orbit.
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QUOTE (Julius @ Apr 27 2020, 05:04 AM) *
Was it always planned for the rover to descend off the pediment back onto the clay unit or did I miss something?

AFAIK this was always the plan, but I'm not sure if it was explicitly said or just somewhat implied in the status reports.
See https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/mission-updates/8...diment-for-now/ and note the use of the phrase "mini campaign".
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