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QUOTE (marsophile @ Jun 15 2018, 06:58 PM) *
Assuming 24 volt battery power, 1 watt corresponds to around 40 milliamps, which doesn't seem too unreasonable for the mission clock (plus alarm mechanism).

Normally you don't use linear regulation from battery voltage, because most of the power is used in the regulator. 40 mA at 5V is only 200 mW (which is still a lot for a simple clock -- for example, a Chronodot RTC http://docs.macetech.com/doku.php/chronodot_v2.0 -- admittedly not rad-hard -- uses 840 nanoamps in standby timekeeping!). But it's not impossible that in this case they did use linear regulation because it's simpler and losing all solar power wasn't really a credible fault for the short mission design life.

At any rate, if the clock is lost, we may see a lot of X-band "sweep & beep" commanding once there's any expectation that the rover is getting enough power during the day to communicate. On Spirit they started this about 4 months after the loss of comm. See https://mars.nasa.gov/mer/mission/status_spiritAll_2010.html for some descriptions of this.
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QUOTE (hendric @ Jun 15 2018, 11:19 AM) *
On the 22 WH just to keep the clock alive, maybe that number is accounting for the stuck IDD heater?

I don't see how, that heater is turned off when the battery controller is turned off, that being the whole point of deep sleep.
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QUOTE (Deimos @ Jun 15 2018, 05:46 AM) *
Solar panels, however, are not known for being so dark-adaptable.

As a data point, I have solar panels on my house. On a typical day in March they generate about 30 kW-h. During the cloudiest, lowest-production day this March, I got about 3 kW-h, about 10x worse.

700/22 is 32x less production, so this would be a really cloudy day, at least by SoCal standards. (Solar distance is already scaled out so don't complain about that.)
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Posted on: Jun 14 2018, 03:11 PM


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QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Jun 13 2018, 08:33 PM) *
The main thought I keeping coming back to is that Oppy has been out of contact for much longer stretches of time during conjunctions...

During conjunction the rover has still been powered, of course. The most worrisome thing about this is whether there's some issue associated with losing the mission clock (go back through all the Spirit status reports after loss of comm for lots of discussion about various permutations there). We can assume that Spirit just got too cold, but there's no proof of that I'm aware of. And then there's the possibility that the panels will be so dusty after the storm clears that they won't produce a useful amount of power (although I think that's probably unlikely.)
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Posted on: Jun 14 2018, 03:05 PM


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https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/handle/2014/43244 "The effects of clock drift on the Mars Exploration Rovers" is an interesting paper about the MER clock architecture. It didn't really have anything germane to the issue of losing time reference but it has a lot of detail about how the mission clock works.
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QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jun 13 2018, 07:27 PM) *
Because a lot of questions being asked here were answered in the press briefing, I'm going to break my usual practice and link to my own writing...

John Callas said "If rover is generating less than 22Wh, then it won't have enough power to maintain clock". I'm not sure how to parse this. AFAIK, the mission clock is powered directly from the batteries during sleep and will presumably drain them down to some minimum voltage cutoff. 22Wh per sol would be a little under 1 watt of power, which is a heck of a high power draw for a simple clock.

At any rate, I think it's safe to assume that over the next few days there will be essentially no power generated.
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Posted on: Jun 13 2018, 11:24 PM


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The good news from the press conference is that the low-power fault state is basically the same thing as deep sleep, which they use all the time.

I don't know two things: first, how long it has until it loses its mission clock, which complicates the situation, and second, how the stuck-on IDD heater that deep sleep was added to get around will affect the recovery -- since that's a 0.5A load that will start as soon as the battery controller comes up.
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Mods: are we going to discuss the dust storm and its aftermath in this thread or in the dust storm thread?
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QUOTE (jccwrt @ Jun 12 2018, 07:05 PM) *
the rover failed to check in today and is likely in low-power fault mode.

Bummer. Per https://trs.jpl.nasa.gov/handle/2014/37750 (assuming there are no changes to the fault response), if it gets enough power to boot back up, comm is limited to one LGA DTE per day at 11 LST, unless the ops team can get commands in to alter this behavior and enable UHF comm. I'm sure this will all be described tomorrow.
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QUOTE (xflare @ Jun 12 2018, 03:32 PM) *
Has there been any further communication from Opportunity since Sunday morning?

I don't know. I happened to notice a DSN track on DSN Now this morning but nothing was received while I was watching.
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QUOTE (serpens @ Jun 11 2018, 03:28 PM) *
I guess Opportunity would be better placed to come out of a low power fault state. Spirit had to try and survive the depths of winter.

I'm not sure that the specific failure mode that got Spirit has ever really been identified. The presumption was that it was related to cold, but it would surprise me a little if there was anything about MER that could be rendered non-functional by a few deep thermal cycles. (Well, maybe the batteries, but the system would still work in the daytime.)

Hopefully there isn't some inherent flaw in the low power fault state, or better yet, that it never gets entered.
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Posted on: Jun 11 2018, 09:52 PM


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Has Opportunity ever been in a low-power fault state? I'm thinking not.

As far as I know, Spirit went into this state on sol 2210 and never came out, although this is supposed to be recoverable.
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QUOTE (MrNatural @ Jun 11 2018, 04:45 AM) *
Could the methane be off-gasing from plastics on MSL? Or breakdown products of plastics exposed to UV and temperature swings?

Read the paper, it's online. http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6393/1093.full

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We argue against the possibility that the rover itself is a source of methane because we cannot identify any source large enough to produce even an instantaneous cloud of ~7 ppbv methane in a 10-m-diameter sphere around the rover...

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QUOTE (Dalhousie @ Jun 10 2018, 03:02 PM) *
The efforts to write off evidence of Mars methane by some seem to become ever more desperate attempts of straw clutching.

It's not grasping at straws, it's good science. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

The paper has some discussion of alternative explanations, including contamination.

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Although the TLS-SAM fore-optics chamber contains some terrestrial methane, this is too small an amount to be considered as a bulk source for later ingestion even if somehow contained within the rover instrumentation. By monitoring the fore-optics chamber pressure and methane content over the 5-year period on Mars, we see no evidence of gross leakage from the foreoptics chamber.

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Posted on: Jun 8 2018, 03:07 PM


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QUOTE (fredk @ Jun 8 2018, 06:38 AM) *
Sorry for not having followed all the details in this thread, but what do you use to fit the B-C parameters?

The Junocam I kernel parameters were fit using stars from the cruise imaging and validated using the positions of the galilean satellites during PJ1.

How Gerald's processing works with regard to camera parameters has never been clear to me.

I am personally of the opinion that expecting deep sub-pixel registration between bands is a pipe dream, but obviously I could be wrong.
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QUOTE (Brian Swift @ Jun 6 2018, 11:00 PM) *
do you think the value of
INS-61500_DISTORTION_Y (optical axis relative to full frame) value should be 678.48 instead of 78.48?

The code doesn't use this value, I didn't put it in the kernel, and I don't know what it's supposed to mean. You could very well be right technically (since for brevity I folded the typical height/2 offset into the constants themselves as Gerald points out.)

In a perfect world, these keywords would have well-defined and documented meanings, and the SPICE toolkit would have functions that used them and performed the basic camera geometry functions. As it is, the toolkit doesn't have those functions and the keywords don't have well-defined meanings, leaving us to do the best we can in the comments.

The comments were written after a big effort to determine the best possible fit from in-flight data and in the face of massive confusion from practically everyone who had ever written code to deal with pushframe systems about how to manage Junocam data. So my attitude was very much "do this specific thing" instead of "here's a whole bunch of information that will allow you to make your own design choices and mistakes and then come back to me and complain about it." rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jun 5 2018, 04:35 PM) *
would the star be at pixel (814.21, 600) in the resulting image?

The 814.21 is the pixel coordinate given the 1648-wide image, so any issues about dummy pixels have already been accounted for.

I've got no idea what USGS is doing with the 600. The optic axis isn't at a Y of 600 any more than it's at an X of 1648/2.

I wrote the code in the kernel file so there would be no ambiguity about what needed to be done with managing the framelets. This code has been validated with limb fitting in one direction and ray tracing in the other so I'm pretty confident it's right to a pixel or two. If you want to use a different formalism, that's fine, but don't expect me to debug it -- I had enough trouble with my recommended method.
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QUOTE (Gerald @ Jun 5 2018, 09:51 PM) *
What really counts are the relative values.

I'm not 100% sure what you mean by this. If you use the recipe I describe then you can just use the tabulated DISTORTION_Y values in the kernel and they account for both the readout offsets and the optic axis in one step. If you don't follow my recipe, then you're on your own for figuring out how those are combined: which is more work, no advantage I can see, and more potential error sources.
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QUOTE (Bjorn Jonsson @ Jun 5 2018, 04:35 PM) *
Either the diagram above is very easy to misunderstand or it is incorrect (I suspect the latter).

I suggested that that diagram be removed completely as I found it more confusing than helpful; I'm actually not sure if it's wrong or just incomplete. At any rate, you're supposed to be using the values in INS-6150*_DISTORTION_Y. I tried to be as clear and specific as I could be in the comments and pseudocode in the "optical distortion" section. I can't immediately map what I said there to numbers like 441.52; since we don't read out, much less transmit, the entire frame, I don't spend a lot of time thinking about what the coordinates of the entire frame are any more.

I hope that helped. Sorry for any confusion. If you find some ambiguity in the "optical distortion" section that you would like resolved, let me know.
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QUOTE (Explorer1 @ May 31 2018, 12:03 PM) *
The new upgraded skycrane landing system should be able to avoid any unlucky rock sticking up, from what I recall?

There's no active hazard avoidance that I'm aware of. There's TRN but that still requires a priori knowledge of hazards from pre-existing orbital imagery. See https://marsnext.jpl.nasa.gov/workshops/201...straints_v6.pdf
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QUOTE (Sean @ May 25 2018, 04:13 AM) *
And now for Gerald's...

I'm curious to know how the two different processing methods affect your workflow. Your original Brian Swift pipeline version looks about the same as this to my eye, the only difference I see are some uncorrected CCD blemishes (and some global brightness variation, this one is brighter near the terminator.)
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Note that because the spacecraft antenna was pointed at the Earth during this pass, we are looking way off nadir in these images, which make them deviate from round significantly in non-map-projected form (and look like cashews in the point-perspective form that we use in our processed products.) It would be interesting to know if there's a way to fix this cosmetically without doing a real map projection.
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The first batch of PJ13 images have been posted to missionjuno.
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QUOTE (PaulH51 @ May 24 2018, 02:47 AM) *
I thought I had seen a short MastCam animation of CHIMRA releasing a sample and letting it fall out of frame of the image.

http://www.planetary.org/blogs/guest-blogs...paign-kuhn.html but that was down near the ground or away from the inlets. I don't think we can see the inlets during sample delivery anyway because the view is blocked.
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QUOTE (Explorer1 @ May 11 2018, 06:53 PM) *
Being able to inspect the entire rover is an obvious plus, (if they are permitted to fly close enough to avoid being a hazard)

No freakin' way.
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