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| Posted on: Oct 12 2006, 02:05 AM | |
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| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #72323 · Replies: 83 · Views: 72958 |
| Posted on: Oct 12 2006, 01:24 AM | |
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| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #72321 · Replies: 406 · Views: 271912 |
| Posted on: Oct 12 2006, 12:04 AM | |
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I'm glad someone was paying attention. I'll fix it when I get a chance. |
| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #72317 · Replies: 83 · Views: 72958 |
| Posted on: Oct 11 2006, 07:06 AM | |
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| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #72214 · Replies: 406 · Views: 271912 |
| Posted on: Oct 11 2006, 06:53 AM | |
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OK Mike, I'll promise stop making comparisons if you promise to keep MGS/MOC turned on. |
| Forum: MRO 2005 · Post Preview: #72211 · Replies: 335 · Views: 189209 |
| Posted on: Oct 11 2006, 04:40 AM | |||
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It's been mentioned around here already that the HiRISE images are so amazing, and so far above what we expected, because of the much lower noise level rather than the increase in resolution when compared to MOC. Here's a quick demonstration of this: Victoria, Cape D1 and boulder field below. Beagle, Waco & Beta Craters & Jesse Chisholm. Far left is the HiRISE image and far right is the best cPROTO MOC image. Second from the left shows the HiRISE image reduced down to 1/3 resolution to get something similar to the MOC resolution. As you can see this would still have been jaw dropping. I have to add a whole stack of noise to this (3rd from left) to get something with about the same visiblity of features as in the MOC image. James |
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| Forum: MRO 2005 · Post Preview: #72205 · Replies: 335 · Views: 189209 |
| Posted on: Oct 11 2006, 01:48 AM | |
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| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #72203 · Replies: 83 · Views: 72958 |
| Posted on: Oct 9 2006, 10:36 AM | |
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| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #72022 · Replies: 406 · Views: 271912 |
| Posted on: Oct 8 2006, 05:33 AM | |
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But Oppy also bumped a few centimeters before starting the work! Compare: http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...PCP1201L0M1.JPG And http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportu...POP1110L0M1.JPG Testing Go and Touch? Nope. That 959 hazcam is the *penultimate* one not the end of drive one. There was no bump yestersol. James |
| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #71921 · Replies: 194 · Views: 139196 |
| Posted on: Oct 7 2006, 03:51 AM | ||
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With a bit of luck come tomorrow we may have a better orbital image. Which we do. Here's what Oppy sees from the side compared with what HiRise sees from above. James EDIT: Note that the HiRise is reduced down to approximately match the navcam resolution - I can't wait for the pancams! |
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| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #71804 · Replies: 61 · Views: 54786 |
| Posted on: Oct 6 2006, 10:22 AM | |
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I've examined the recent images and I can't see any movement at all for Spirit. I think it's it pretty fair to say that this will definitely be about Oppy. James |
| Forum: Tech, General and Imagery · Post Preview: #71606 · Replies: 86 · Views: 68693 |
| Posted on: Oct 6 2006, 01:50 AM | |
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| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #71571 · Replies: 61 · Views: 54786 |
| Posted on: Oct 5 2006, 10:55 AM | |
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Let me make sure I've got this right, this is at 11am EDT on Friday right? 4 hours behind UTC, so 1500? That's 1am saturday morning here on AEST, looks like it'll be a late night! |
| Forum: Tech, General and Imagery · Post Preview: #71411 · Replies: 86 · Views: 68693 |
| Posted on: Oct 5 2006, 01:39 AM | |
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No worries Ted. Good point about the saturation - I had played with it, but will do some more. I have a few tricks to try out. James |
| Forum: Tech, General and Imagery · Post Preview: #71383 · Replies: 11 · Views: 12090 |
| Posted on: Oct 5 2006, 01:31 AM | |
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The thing to do would be to use the thumbs to creat a color image, and then overlay the color image over the Navcam image, which could serve as the greyscale data. I have don e this many times with other data. It can be manipulated to avoid slight paralax. That's what I'm doing Ted, see the first post. |
| Forum: Tech, General and Imagery · Post Preview: #71380 · Replies: 11 · Views: 12090 |
| Posted on: Oct 5 2006, 01:29 AM | |
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By the way, on the a,b,c parameters for the Navcam camera model, I don't know what other folks use but I'm using a=b=c=0. I generally use a=b=c=0 but I often optimise for d & e (x & y shift) when doing manual stitching. I couldn't tell you if these come out similar each time or what values thay take however. James |
| Forum: Tech, General and Imagery · Post Preview: #71378 · Replies: 11 · Views: 12090 |
| Posted on: Oct 5 2006, 01:23 AM | ||
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Very nice, James. So do I understand correctly that you take the luminance values from the navcam pan, and the hue and saturation values from the scaled up thumbnail pan? That's right, similar to what other have done colouring MI's using pancam images. Do you think it would be any improvement to instead do as I originally wrote, namely taking navcam as the red channel, L5 thumbs as green and L7 thumbs as blue (or whatever combination you prefer)? I'm just thinking that these pans are always dominated by the red channel, of course, so could this approach improve the "colour resolution"? Or would this be equivalent to what you're doing? I don't think that really improves things, your not really gaining any colour resolution as the green and blue channels that make the colour are still at the lower resolution. And you end up effectively loosing spacial resolution as now two channels containing the low resolution data dominate over the higher red channel. Another issue is simplicity for me. I have some quite sophisicated routines that i've developed over the last year for making nice colour pans that work on individual pancam pointings (plus knowledge of how they fit together) not on the whole pan. So just adding the green and blue to a red navcam results in some serious colour gradients. Here is a simple attempt at this showing the problems, What's interesting is that if you just tried to superimpose a set of pancams onto a navcam, I think you'd have trouble getting the alignment right since the navcams contain considerable geometrical distortion. Is this accounted for in your approach in generating the projected navcam pan? Or is it negligible at the resolution of the thumbnails anyway? I suppose Michael Howard has sorted all this out with his pancam/navcam combos. The navcams arn't that bad. I didn't take any into account doing this. I think the biggest problem is that the navcam isn't in the same position as the pancam so at close range you end up with a small stereo effect. It's more evident in the 'navcams in red channel' attempt in this post (another problem with it!), in fact that image may work as an anaglyph! (Probably the wrong way around, left pancam is to the left of the left navcam EDIT: Cross post with Mike - glad we agree James |
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| Forum: Tech, General and Imagery · Post Preview: #71376 · Replies: 11 · Views: 12090 |
| Posted on: Oct 4 2006, 10:13 PM | |
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| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #71356 · Replies: 406 · Views: 271912 |
| Posted on: Oct 4 2006, 10:11 PM | |||
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A preview of the Duck Bay panorama. Nice job - this is hand coloured, right? I don't think so. It looks like James assembled this one from the tracking site thumbnails. I'm glad to have that preview btw James. Nico but from the lens geometry it does look like a colorized sol952 navcam panorama Very good job on the colorization. kudos, James ! I'd say the opposite Bernhard, Navcam needs less frames to cover that area... Nico I see - he took the navcam pan as the red channel (it's response is dominated by IR/red, and resolution will be much sharper than L2 thumbs). Then he used the L7's and L5's that are down and the L7 and L5 thumbs for the remaining areas, scaled to navcam resolution. I assume he blacked out portions of the navcam that are not covered by L5/7 - that's why we see 16 degree blocks. Is that it, James? Your all on the right track but not quite there. To make this I took the thumbnails (64x64 each) from the tracking site and used the tracking data to create a Hugin pan file. (Note the rover quaternian appears a little off in the database at the moment so the horizon isn't flat.) Then I ran my normal image matching / colouring software on the pan/images to create a full colour mini panorama. This however has a much lower resolution than the existing navcams, so the next step is to use the pan as a colour layer over the navcam pan (also made using the tracking data so the two match in geometry.) Then as Fred says, I cut out (poorly, must try harder next time.) just the coloured region from the navcam pan to retain the 'feel' of a pancam pan. The good news is most of this happens automatically in my software, so you can all expect prompt 'preview' panoramas in the future before the full images are even downlinked from the rover. James |
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| Forum: Tech, General and Imagery · Post Preview: #71355 · Replies: 11 · Views: 12090 |
| Posted on: Oct 4 2006, 05:42 AM | |
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| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #71217 · Replies: 406 · Views: 271912 |
| Posted on: Oct 3 2006, 12:22 AM | |
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FYI: Driving again tosol (957) |
| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #71065 · Replies: 406 · Views: 271912 |
| Posted on: Oct 2 2006, 09:54 PM | |
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Reply from Bob. QUOTE (Bob Shaw) The good news is, that was a great idea. The bad news is... ...I opened up my Hosts file, only to discover I'd already tried it! Nae UMSF for Bob! |
| Forum: Chit Chat · Post Preview: #71050 · Replies: 11 · Views: 9106 |
| Posted on: Oct 2 2006, 08:03 AM | |
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Great work. By the way, that image has almost exactly the same field of view as the 'Duck Bay' pan. A nice preview of what's to come. James |
| Forum: Opportunity · Post Preview: #70954 · Replies: 23 · Views: 32212 |
| Posted on: Oct 2 2006, 12:07 AM | |
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I've posted your message onto the UMSF Yahoo backup which I know Bob subscribes to. |
| Forum: Chit Chat · Post Preview: #70934 · Replies: 11 · Views: 9106 |
| Posted on: Oct 1 2006, 10:20 PM | |
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