To the Cape!, Quackmire and arm troubles |
To the Cape!, Quackmire and arm troubles |
Apr 18 2008, 11:19 AM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14432 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
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Apr 18 2008, 12:46 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10153 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
There were quite a few cobbles just on the northern rim of Victoria, so they would be a good place to start, only a few days drive away from Duck Bay. After that, I don't think driving back north is necessary. I would do more of the circumnavigation of Victoria, clockwise from those cobbles, looking at the capes again for interesting stratigraphy - is Cape Verde really the only place where we have that deep layered band? Then, head south or southeast into new territory. There's just as much chance of finding meteorites or ejecta out there as there was further north, with the added advantage of potentially interesting new outcrops.
Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Apr 18 2008, 01:03 PM
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Member Group: Admin Posts: 468 Joined: 11-February 04 From: USA Member No.: 21 |
The cobbles in the D-Star panorama , taken near the very small blocky crater along the north rim of Victoria, definitely caught my eye while they were up there. I'd love to see those up close.
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Apr 18 2008, 07:32 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4246 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
A third attemp is scheduled for today (sol 1505). The third attempt to unstow the arm seems to have been a failure too: http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...ABP1151L0M1.JPG |
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Apr 19 2008, 02:50 PM
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Should we begin to get nervous?- What are the possible failure modes here?
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Apr 19 2008, 04:06 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8783 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Should we begin to get nervous? I wouldn't yet; these guys are good! -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Apr 19 2008, 04:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 2262 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Melbourne - Oz Member No.: 16 |
Should we begin to get nervous?- What are the possible failure modes here? Well it looks to me like the problem is with the shoulder joint again. I find the fact that it moved a bit then stopped a bit worrying, the usual problem with the shoulder motor causes it to stall at the beginning. I think there is a very real possibility that the second winding could have broken during deployment which would be very bad news indeed, especially given the current position of the arm (not stowed yet not in a useful deployed position) -------------------- |
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Apr 19 2008, 04:47 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 578 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Denmark Member No.: 107 |
Looks like they'll try another unstow on SOL 1507
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Apr 19 2008, 04:56 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14432 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
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Apr 19 2008, 07:07 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 753 Joined: 23-October 04 From: Greensboro, NC USA Member No.: 103 |
Is there some sort of balance or level sensor, i.e., if the rover is in a precarious tilt, is there a sensor that would keep the IDD from deploying and potentially tipping the rover further?
-------------------- Jonathan Ward
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Apr 19 2008, 07:12 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14432 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
There is an accelerometer that will tell the rover its own orientation - but even if there were code for 'if tilt > x degrees, don't use IDD' - firstly, we've seen the IDD used on slopes like this - and worse. Secondly, the IDD started to deploy, then stuck at an off-nominal point, and thirdly, any such safety code would get culled when trying to deploy for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th time etc.
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Apr 20 2008, 08:27 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 206 Joined: 15-August 07 From: Shrewsbury, Shropshire Member No.: 3233 |
That's what happened when the first winding died....followed by 3 months of not moving. Arhgh. The latest Planetary society monthly report Jake Matijevic said that Oppy could not stay besides Capo Verde for very long because of the limited solar power available at that location. I think that he was also concerned that less power would be available at that location in subsequent months. Can Oppy survive on the steep South facing slopes at its current location for the rest of the Martian Winter? I would prefer to see Oppy drive out of Duck bay and onto Cape Frio so that it could spend the 3 months taking a panorama of the cliffs on the North West side of Victoria crater. I guess that a potential problem is that shaking during the drive could further damage Oppy's partialy deployed IDD arm. A long term issue for Oppy if the IDD can not be made to work is that Oppy would have to find worthwhile jobs to do that would not require the use of the IDD (or of the MiniTES given that that is also not working). A useful task for Oppy might be to complete the circumnavigation of Victoria crater and and take more of those panoramas I like so much. |
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Apr 20 2008, 03:23 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4246 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
Can Oppy survive on the steep South facing slopes at its current location for the rest of the Martian Winter? Currently Oppy is on a mostly east-facing slope, (actually a bit east-southeast facing), so that shouldn't be a serious problem in coming months. Also we're still far enough away from Verde that it shouldn't shade us even at midwinter. But I sure hope the Quackmire doesn't become our long-term home... |
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Apr 20 2008, 07:52 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 270 Joined: 29-December 04 From: NLA0: Member No.: 133 |
Looks like today's attempt to unstow the IDD failed as well :'(
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...ABP1151L0M1.JPG -------------------- PDP, VAX and Alpha fanatic ; HP-Compaq is the Satan! ; Let us pray daily while facing Maynard! ; Life starts at 150 km/h ;
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Apr 20 2008, 08:07 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 4279 Joined: 19-April 05 From: .br at .es Member No.: 253 |
Yup.
I'm looking forward a status report to get some details on this issue. |
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