East Or West? |
East Or West? |
Jul 6 2005, 08:21 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 252 Joined: 27-April 05 Member No.: 365 |
Ok, time to take bets on whether the team heads East or West before turning back to the south.
From Sol 512: West: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...XKP0733L0M1.JPG East: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...XKP0634L0M1.JPG I say West, as the dunes appear to be a bit less formidable and the etched terrain can be reached more quickly by angling to the WSW; but the lighting from the sun may be fooling me on the apparent height of the dunes. I really think they need to be traveling close to due south, staying between dune lines, and not crossing perpendicular to any more dunes than they absolutely have to. |
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Jul 6 2005, 09:05 PM
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Dublin Correspondent Group: Admin Posts: 1799 Joined: 28-March 05 From: Celbridge, Ireland Member No.: 220 |
West - Follow The Blueberry Road...
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Jul 6 2005, 09:11 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 578 Joined: 5-November 04 From: Denmark Member No.: 107 |
No time for betting. Oppy is heading East
http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/...Z0P1211R0M1.JPG -------------------- "I want to make as many people as possible feel like they are part of this adventure. We are going to give everybody a sense of what exploring the surface of another world is really like"
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Jul 6 2005, 09:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 877 Joined: 7-March 05 From: Switzerland Member No.: 186 |
Cool, at last Oppy seems to be resolved again
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Jul 6 2005, 09:44 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1636 Joined: 9-May 05 From: Lima, Peru Member No.: 385 |
QUOTE (Burmese @ Jul 6 2005, 03:21 PM) Ok, time to take bets on whether the team heads East or West before turning back to the south. From Sol 512: West: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...XKP0733L0M1.JPG East: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...XKP0634L0M1.JPG I say West, as the dunes appear to be a bit less formidable and the etched terrain can be reached more quickly by angling to the WSW; but the lighting from the sun may be fooling me on the apparent height of the dunes. I really think they need to be traveling close to due south, staying between dune lines, and not crossing perpendicular to any more dunes than they absolutely have to. These picture have no enough information in helping to select the best route. For me both are very similar. I think that the MERB team will take more overview pictures to get a much better vision of landform, inclusive with their height that is an important factor. One thing that the crests runs more or less vertical to equatorial line and the winds comes from West. The way that Oppy must probably be runing in 90% of the time from north to south among valleys and sometime it must transverse crests on both sides. If the MERB team decides to reach on Erbus eteched rocks in any way, it is like to sail on rough sea under a strong storm.... Hold firmely the timonel, otherwise, ignore it and visit for another interesting places or take a very long trip looking for a calmer sea of dunes. This is a good engineering lesson for MSL (better traction capability). Rodolfo |
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Jul 6 2005, 10:27 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 700 Joined: 3-December 04 From: Boulder, Colorado, USA Member No.: 117 |
QUOTE (dot.dk @ Jul 6 2005, 09:11 PM) No time for betting. Oppy is heading East http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/f/...Z0P1211R0M1.JPG It looks like they did a turn-in-place, dragging the stuck wheel (you can see the trench), rather than the three-point turns they've been doing lately. |
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Jul 6 2005, 10:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2998 Joined: 30-October 04 Member No.: 105 |
I say head East, the westward route goes into worse-looking dunefields. I had an orbital MOC image that showed this, but I can't find it right away.
East, then south towards Victoria, with a stopover at Erebus. --Bill -------------------- |
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Jul 7 2005, 01:42 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1870 Joined: 20-February 05 Member No.: 174 |
I *SUSPECT* what they are doing is driving 10 or so meters north, then taking pancam pans to the east and west that can be used together with pancam pans taken while stuck to get stereo-pairs of distant near-horizon structures with a 10 meter instead of 1/2 meter <or whatever> baseline. I've kept wondering why I never saw signs of them attempting long-baseline-stereo before, but they may be doing it now.
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Jul 7 2005, 06:25 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2492 Joined: 15-January 05 From: center Italy Member No.: 150 |
This is the Sol515 view toward the new direction (East); top is a PanCam partial stitch, bottom is NavCam rescaled stitch (3 pictures) with contours of PanCam portion:
Verical projection from PanCam complete mosaic (8 pixel/m scale): -------------------- I always think before posting! - Marco -
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Jul 7 2005, 09:18 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2835 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Ridderkerk, Netherlands Member No.: 353 |
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Jul 7 2005, 09:48 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 524 Joined: 24-November 04 From: Heraklion, GR. Member No.: 112 |
Watching dilo's and jvandriel's wonderful panoramic views of the east route, makes me wonder. How are we going to go over those large dunes ? If we go directly East we will have to "cross" them at a ~90o angle.
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Jul 7 2005, 09:48 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 877 Joined: 7-March 05 From: Switzerland Member No.: 186 |
In earlier Pancam pics it's already to see and now in your pans again. It's a question is this look because of the smaller dune in the foreground or is it another plane yonder that is different in its nature?
http://www.greuti.ch/oppy/eastplane.jpg -------------------- |
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Jul 7 2005, 12:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2998 Joined: 30-October 04 Member No.: 105 |
I suspect that Oppy is going to drive eastward and curve southward, along the path referred to as the the "Erebus Highway" (I _think_). She'll pick a path around the hazardous dunes and make it to the Victoria area sooner or later. Cautious navigation is the watchword nowadays.
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Jul 7 2005, 12:27 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14432 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Here's a view using Phil-O-Vision
http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/doug_im...riz_stretch.jpg Part of the sloping is due to dodgy alignment of the frames. Doug |
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Jul 7 2005, 12:58 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10169 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
Like the name, Doug... so of course I thought I'd have a crack at it too. This is from yours, not the original images, but I took a bit of curvature out of the horizon, turned it b/w and did a more extreme vertical stretch.
The general shape of the horizon can't be trusted here but the individual hills are real... except they are MUCH flatter in reality. But we can see there is some up-an-down inn the area, which explains why we don't really see Victoria or even Erebus properly. Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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