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post Jun 30 2009, 11:58 AM
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The difference being, Paolo's expected result is based on science, not fantasy.
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post Jun 30 2009, 12:52 PM
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What happened to Geraldo ?
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post Jun 30 2009, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE (briv1016 @ Jun 29 2009, 10:01 PM) *
That takes guts doing it in front of the media. Remember what happened to Geraldo Rivera. wink.gif


What happened? I think I'v heard of him, but I'm not sure what you are referring to.

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post Jun 30 2009, 01:07 PM
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Is that the Sun in this picture ?

Sun ?
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post Jun 30 2009, 01:09 PM
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Back in the late '70s or early '80s, Geraldo Rivera pushed this major network special, "The Secret of Al Capone's Vaults," during which these supposed hidey-holes once used by mobster Al Capone were opened up on live television. There was absolutely nothing in the "vaults," and ever since Rivera has been held up as the textbook example of all-hype, no-substance television programming.

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post Jun 30 2009, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE (MahFL @ Jun 30 2009, 02:07 PM) *
Is that the Sun in this picture ?

That frame was taken at 19:49 local solar time, when the Sun was almost 18 degrees below the horizon, according to this filename decoder.
Also, although the shape of that blob is pretty convincingly Sun-shaped, the Sun would appear larger than that with navcam.
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post Jun 30 2009, 02:44 PM
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I thought it did look a little small.
Thanks.

BTW I saw the smoke contrail from the Delta that launched GEOS O on Saturday as we drove to UNF.
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post Jun 30 2009, 03:00 PM
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Yes, it is too small for the Sun, however it is about the right size for Phobos...

Hmmm, anyone want to check where it would have been at the time?


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post Jun 30 2009, 03:04 PM
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Isn't it a little too bright for Phobos? If solar glow below the horizon peaks quite a distance above that, wouldn't atmospheric extinction be too strong at that low an elevation? Also, since Phobos would be in the general direction of the Sun, it would be at a thin crescent phase, pretty dim by itself.


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post Jun 30 2009, 03:04 PM
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When you got too much time and a delirious mind what do you do? Silly things...

I found myself thinking waaay outside the box (no pun intended...), and went to read the passage on how Ulysses was able to leave Calypso's island where he was imprisioned after returning from Troy on its way to Ithaca.

I am not expecting a rover to build a wood raft but since we're putting Spirit in the Odyssey's scenario it doesn't hurt to take a look and, this is my intention, to see if any line there could cause a spark in someone's mind.
There must be something in here...among this axe sharpened on both sides, an adze, augers, squaring by rule, levers... smile.gif

Trying to convert Homer's writing to XXI century engineering...what a crazy challenge! My kind!...Think like a child! smile.gif

Here's the text...:
When the child of morning rosy-fingered Dawn appeared, Ulysses put on his shirt and cloak, while the goddess wore a dress of a light gossamer fabric, very fine and graceful, with a beautiful golden girdle about her waist and a veil to cover her head. She at once set herself to think how she could speed Ulysses on his way. So she gave him a great bronze axe that suited his hands; it was sharpened on both sides, and had a beautiful olive-wood handle fitted firmly on to it. She also gave him a sharp adze, and then led the way to the far end of the island where the largest trees grew--alder, poplar and pine, that reached the sky--very dry and well seasoned, so as to sail light for him in the water. Then, when she had shown him where the best trees grew, Calypso went home, leaving him to cut them, which he soon finished doing. He cut down twenty trees in all and adzed them smooth, squaring them by rule in good workmanlike fashion. Meanwhile Calypso came back with some augers, so he bored holes with them and fitted the timbers together with bolts and rivets. He made the raft as broad as a skilled shipwright makes the beam of a large vessel, and he fixed a deck on top of the ribs, and ran a gunwale all round it. He also made a mast with a yard arm, and a rudder to steer with. He fenced the raft all round with wicker hurdles as a protection against the waves, and then he threw on a quantity of wood. By and by Calypso brought him some linen to make the sails, and he made these too, excellently, making them fast with braces and sheets. Last of all, with the help of levers, he drew the raft down into the water.

In four days he had completed the whole work, and on the fifth Calypso sent him from the island after washing him and giving him some clean clothes. She gave him a goat skin full of black wine, and another larger one of water; she also gave him a wallet full of provisions, and found him in much good meat. Moreover, she made the wind fair and warm for him, and gladly did Ulysses spread his sail before it, while he sat and guided the raft skilfully by means of the rudder. He never closed his eyes, but kept them fixed on the Pleiads, on late-setting Bootes, and on the Bear--which men also call the wain, and which turns round and round where it is, facing Orion, and alone never dipping into the stream of Oceanus--for Calypso had told him to keep this to his left. Days seven and ten did he sail over the sea, and on the eighteenth the dim outlines of the mountains on the nearest part of the Phaeacian coast appeared, rising like a shield on the horizon.


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post Jun 30 2009, 03:39 PM
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Awesome.
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post Jun 30 2009, 04:18 PM
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I agree ugordan, after I posted that I began to worry that it was too bright and that it should have been a crescent.


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post Jun 30 2009, 10:02 PM
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Lots of info in this interview


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She has more power now than she has in almost 4 years.
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post Jun 30 2009, 10:22 PM
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Well, I don't know how to tell you guys, but we have one more rover stuck in sand. This morning we rolled the testbed rover in the sandbox and partly embedded it in the soil simulant. We attempted some small motions to verify that the rover s not moving when operated with 5 wheels. Tomorrow we will be setting the rover for extrication testing.

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In this case- Yay! Good news!!! smile.gif


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