The western route, 5th leg after stop at Absecon / Reeds Bay |
The western route, 5th leg after stop at Absecon / Reeds Bay |
Aug 2 2009, 01:20 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10153 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
Marsisimportant: "The simplest explanation is something similar to what I conjectured in my previous post."
Phil: "That's odd - I would have said exactly the same, but about MY previous post" Yes, the simplest explanation is that they were thrown there as ejecta from the many small craters like Dolphin that occur all over the region. I agree that ice is possible, but it requires a change in the current environment. Ejecta doesn't. In fact, even if there were blueberries on the rock left from its icy past (if it had one), they should now be joined by ejecta-deposited blueberries. Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Aug 2 2009, 01:39 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2173 Joined: 28-December 04 From: Florida, USA Member No.: 132 |
...the simplest explanation is that they were thrown there as ejecta from the many small craters like Dolphin that occur all over the region. I agree that ice is possible, but it requires a change in the current environment. Ejecta doesn't..... Besides ejecta and ice, what about the possibility that BI was buried, through deposition, in the rock (not ice) layers in which the berries later formed and berries were left on it just as they were left on the rest of the Meridiani surface as the layers eroded away? And also, the possibility that BI impacted in and buried itself in berry-containing material which was later eroded away. |
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Aug 2 2009, 01:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1043 Joined: 17-February 09 Member No.: 4605 |
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Aug 2 2009, 02:15 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 699 Joined: 3-December 04 From: Boulder, Colorado, USA Member No.: 117 |
What cause the criss-cross linear features in the MI images? Some for of crystalization in the meteorite? Are these common? Looks like a Widmanstätten pattern to me! Fascinating... John |
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Aug 2 2009, 03:37 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 233 Joined: 21-April 05 Member No.: 328 |
tfisher, thanks for the link to the Lunar and Planetary Science article. It raises the possibility in my mind that Heat Shield and Block Island are part of one and the same fall . . .
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Aug 2 2009, 04:02 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 813 Joined: 8-February 04 From: Arabia Terra Member No.: 12 |
what about the possibility that BI was buried, through deposition, in the rock (not ice) layers in which the berries later formed and berries were left on it just as they were left on the rest of the Meridiani surface as the layers eroded away? Rather than BI being encased in the rock, couldn't it have been slowly buried by migrating ripples at a time when Meridiani had thicker drift deposits than are currently there today? Fast-forward to today and the really fine-grained material has blown away leaving much smaller ripples (and Block Island) with a surface cover of blueberries. |
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Aug 2 2009, 04:53 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10153 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
I think all of these mechanisms are possible. Deciding between them will be the hard part.
Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Aug 2 2009, 05:22 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2173 Joined: 28-December 04 From: Florida, USA Member No.: 132 |
Rather than BI being encased in the rock, couldn't it have been slowly buried by migrating ripples... Who knows? BI could have been covered by migrating ripples that moved on or covered by ripples that were in turn covered and eventually hardened into rock, later to be eroded away. If BI is REALLY old, it may have lived through a combination of the possibilities being discussed here. |
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Aug 2 2009, 08:41 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1619 Joined: 12-February 06 From: Bergerac - FR Member No.: 678 |
Maybe OT but I wanted to show you an inspiration that make me the scenery just arround BI. I love to incrust 3D letters in realistic way, like the Panic Room intro sequence .
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Aug 2 2009, 08:53 PM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
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Aug 2 2009, 09:47 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 910 Joined: 4-September 06 From: Boston Member No.: 1102 |
Stu, Clearly triangleform writing of the Widmanstatten variety. Giger is a visionary.
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Aug 2 2009, 10:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1229 Joined: 24-December 05 From: The blue one in between the yellow and red ones. Member No.: 618 |
If you are unfamiliar with the icy formation theory, then I am surprised. It was all over the news (Three consecutive posts merged - ADMIN) Ah, OK! You were referring to the Niles-Michalski "icy test tubes model". I suspected as much, but had to allow that there might be some recent publication I hadn't seen yet that actually related blueberry formation with ice. Unlike the Niles-Michalski paper. We did discuss this previously in the "Meridiani Ice theory" thread. There Paul Niles himself assured us that their model did not account for blueberry formation, but was concerned with the formation of the characteristic sulfate deposits of the Meridiani bedrock prior to the diagenesis of concretions. Niles conceded that the MER team's original scenario of blueberries concreting at regularly-spaced intervals within the deposited sulfate sandstones (after the icy phase) fit with the observations. That scenario does not predict concretions forming in closely-packed layers such as we see on Block Island. Such aggregations would only occur by advection of the blueberries after formation. -------------------- My Grandpa goes to Mars every day and all I get are these lousy T-shirts!
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Aug 2 2009, 10:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1619 Joined: 12-February 06 From: Bergerac - FR Member No.: 678 |
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Aug 2 2009, 10:32 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8783 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Ant, VERY cool marker for BI; I'm sure that the MER Memorial Park Authority will emplace something just like that in a few hundred years...
One correction, and definitely not a criticism: The word is spelled "block", defined roughly as a solid, often massive piece of material in this context. "Bloc" is also an English word usually meaning a political or social coalition. Again, no criticism implied; I know that English often sucks like this! -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Aug 2 2009, 11:20 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1887 Joined: 20-November 04 From: Iowa Member No.: 110 |
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