How Much Driving Time? |
How Much Driving Time? |
Jul 20 2005, 08:05 AM
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The dust is finer than talcum powder, way way too fine to easily just be dumped off tilted and shaken panels as if it was fine sand.
There's no reason available surface on a rover couldn't be covered with thin, lightweight solar cells as "supplementary" power. Note that Viking's RTG's produced only 70 watts each, at the start of the mission <somebody check my figures...> 140 watts x 24 hours isn't an enormous amount of energy, and supplementary solar could help, if it doesn't eat up too much weight. |
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Jul 20 2005, 09:27 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 290 Joined: 26-March 04 From: Edam, The Netherlands Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (edstrick @ Jul 20 2005, 08:05 AM) The dust is finer than talcum powder, way way too fine to easily just be dumped off tilted and shaken panels as if it was fine sand. I don't agree. Look at opportunities wheels at the moment. The have been milled around in extremely fine dust (especially lately) and at some moments they were filled with dust. And now: they look like being from the dishwasher: completely clean. On Mars, it's not like on earth, where atmospheric water vapour easily clods together dust. Dust on Mars almost falls off just as easy as it settled down. It's a great benefit of roving on Mars: it's dry (also, you don't need to coat your chassis with tectyl against rust ). |
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Jul 20 2005, 09:28 AM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14432 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
3360 Whrs - is a lot more than MER
Doug |
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Jul 20 2005, 12:40 PM
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Interplanetary Dumpster Diver Group: Admin Posts: 4404 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
QUOTE (helvick @ Jul 19 2005, 07:03 PM) Phoenix is a short term mission being done on the cheap with already proven technology- I don't think any amount of gymnastics with solar arrays is going to allow it to last much beyond it's 90 sol primary mission and would add both cost and risk with no benifit - 70 days or so after the end of the primary mission it's going to be in near darkness 24.66 hours per sol and solidly frozen. True. While there is a slim chance it might wake up after the winter, this highly, highly unlikely. -------------------- |
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Jul 20 2005, 12:58 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 290 Joined: 26-March 04 From: Edam, The Netherlands Member No.: 65 |
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Jul 20 2005, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jul 20 2005, 08:40 AM) They will at least try to wake it up after winter, right? I mean, if it still works, we should put it to use! It's nonsense to let a perfectly good spacecraft sit around and collect dust (ha, ha)! |
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Jul 20 2005, 03:39 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 477 Joined: 2-March 05 Member No.: 180 |
QUOTE (Marcel @ Jul 20 2005, 04:27 AM) I don't agree. Look at opportunities wheels at the moment. They have been milled around in extremely fine dust (especially lately) and at some moments they were filled with dust. And now: they look like being from the dishwasher: completely clean. On Mars, it's not like on earth, where atmospheric water vapour easily clods together dust. Dust on Mars almost falls off just as easy as it settled down. It's a great benefit of roving on Mars: it's dry (also, you don't need to coat your chassis with tectyl against rust ). Key thing here though - they are constantly being pressed into the ground. The dirt on the wheels is going to easily stick to the compressed dirt on the ground, not the smooth aluminum wheels. Someone did mention that the sides of rocks still have dust on them. However, it is definitely not as much dust as on horizontal surfaces - either due to wind or gravity. This is why I'm wondering about a rover that is capable of standing itself up on 4 wheels somehow - or else pushing down with the front two, to angle itself at the wind. Even if being angled won't make the panels totally clean, but I'd take partially clean over completely dust laden. |
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Jul 20 2005, 05:16 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1636 Joined: 9-May 05 From: Lima, Peru Member No.: 385 |
About how much time driving will have MERx? No one know sure about the end of date. I think the end of driving time is due to others problems such as an example: low level of Cobalt 57 and other mechanical fatigue symptoms.
However, both rovers has lots future, Oppy with long expected to visit the Victoria's crater and Spirit ones with the Abismal Aleluya -not sure-? The most probably to reach Victoria's crater is by the end of the year and to the abismal by the end of August. After this, all team will start to work for Phoenix and MSL projects. I speculate that they will stop driving by the the first month of 2006... who will bet for this.... Rodolfo |
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Jul 20 2005, 05:49 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 252 Joined: 27-April 05 Member No.: 365 |
The rovers are funded thru September 2006 (just past the middle of the next Martian winter). While many personnel will be promoted, and some will move on to upcoming Mars projects (many already have), they will always be bringing in new people to train and take over the necessary positions on the MER team.
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Jul 20 2005, 07:38 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 350 Joined: 20-June 04 From: Portland, Oregon, U.S.A. Member No.: 86 |
I think the rovers will last forever. Go on, prove me wrong! You can't.
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Jul 20 2005, 07:48 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2454 Joined: 8-July 05 From: NGC 5907 Member No.: 430 |
QUOTE (mike @ Jul 20 2005, 02:38 PM) They may be dismantled when Mars is used for material to make a Dyson Shell. -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Jul 20 2005, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jul 20 2005, 05:16 PM) Oppy with long expected to visit the Victoria's crater Not really: "I think Victoria crater's out of reach. I don't think we're going to get there. It's a nice thing to dream about, but boy, it's far away." - Steve Squyres |
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Jul 20 2005, 08:26 PM
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Jul 20 2005, 08:32 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 688 Joined: 20-April 05 From: Sweden Member No.: 273 |
A note on the dangerous RTG's. They are pretty durable. I remember an article in Aviation Week about an RTG on a military payload launched from Vandenberg back in the carefree seventies where the rocket exploded just after leaving the pad.
Question: "What happened to the RTG?" Answer: "We wiped it off and re-launched it" tty |
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Jul 20 2005, 08:35 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1636 Joined: 9-May 05 From: Lima, Peru Member No.: 385 |
QUOTE (ToSeek @ Jul 20 2005, 03:14 PM) Not really: "I think Victoria crater's out of reach. I don't think we're going to get there. It's a nice thing to dream about, but boy, it's far away." - Steve Squyres Good note from ToSeek, It is very difficult to bet about how long will the MER be driving. There are many influences knowing that the MER personnel will stay working until thru 2006: 1) Accident, hope that any MER won't have any more accident. No beer drinking. 2) Tau atmosphere transparency, no one can predict it with advance. 3) Electrical charged dust devil hits the MER, it can damage the electric circuit. Spirit is safeguarded by the Columbia Hill and Oppy is on a free dust devil zone? 4) Broke the motor wheel, both have little problem with actuator drive motor? 5) Low level of cobalt 57, specially to Spirit. Around the Columbia Hill there are lots of interesting stones....and hope Oppy' ones will worn out fast when it reaches on Erberus outcrops. 6) A metorite will hit it. It might occur and if it is true, it would be unbelieving. 7) what else it might stop them? Rodolfo |
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