INCOMING!, Detection and observation of Earth-approaching asteroids. |
INCOMING!, Detection and observation of Earth-approaching asteroids. |
Nov 11 2009, 09:02 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 2785 Joined: 10-November 06 From: Pasadena, CA Member No.: 1345 |
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Nov 11 2009, 09:38 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 60 Joined: 3-January 09 Member No.: 4520 |
We will apparently be seeing 2009 VA again in the 2020s and 2030s. Also, here's the orbital diagram.
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Nov 12 2009, 01:27 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 540 Joined: 17-November 05 From: Oklahoma Member No.: 557 |
Sorry, but we will probably never be seeing it again, ever. It was poorly observed near closest approach. Unless someone has observations they have not yet turned in (a possiblility), then we're stuck with an orbit with large error margins. It is too close now to the sun to be observed, and will be too faint to see (25th magnitude) when it is back in view. And its sky location is already uncertain by a degree.
There is a 4% chance it will come within 0.2 AU of earth in 2026, and 3% in 2030. It will have to get a lot closer than that, and in the right part of the sky, to be bright enough for a survey to stumble on it again. That's even if PanSTARRS is up and running. 2009 VA is a tiny object. |
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Nov 18 2009, 06:39 PM
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I googled around and looked for info in NASA NEO site, but couldn't find any statistical data, so I'm asking it here:
how much part of the sky, and for how long in a day is monitored for approaching NEOs? I was quite surprised by the asteroid passed half the GEO orbit near Earth some days ago, being spotted only a few hours before it reached minimum distance, as I thought the sky was constantly monitored for such events. Is it not? |
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Nov 18 2009, 08:10 PM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
Although there are constantly people looking at some part of the sky, the entire sky is not photographed continuously, and faint objects can (and, most often, do) slip by unobserved, or are only seen within hours of their closest approach. And don't forget that we basically have no hope of spotting previously undiscovered things that are coming at us from the dayside of Earth! But these faintest objects that are only discovered within hours of their closest approach are also the smallest and, if they were to hit us, would explode in the atmosphere on their way down; any damage on the ground is caused by direct hits from flying debris, rather than from impact effects. Larger objects are brighter and therefore discovered earlier. Only one asteroid has ever been discovered before it became an impactor -- 2008 TC3.
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Nov 18 2009, 11:21 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1018 Joined: 29-November 05 From: Seattle, WA, USA Member No.: 590 |
how much part of the sky, and for how long in a day is monitored for approaching NEOs? . . . Is it not? Far as I know, it is not. Although Pan-STARRS would do it, if it actually gets built. http://pan-starrs.ifa.hawaii.edu/public/as...oid_threat.html WISE, which should launch next month, ought to give us a MUCH better picture of what we're up against, at least. http://wise.ssl.berkeley.edu/mission.html --Greg |
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Nov 19 2009, 03:57 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1887 Joined: 20-November 04 From: Iowa Member No.: 110 |
Sky Coverage from the IAU Minor Planet Center
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Nov 19 2009, 09:15 AM
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Another nice meteor trail:
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=8714738 and http://www.heliotown.com/FB20091118_0707utAshcraft.mp4 |
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Nov 19 2009, 02:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Admin Posts: 4763 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Glendale, AZ Member No.: 197 |
QUOTE Folks at the Clark Planetarium say this rock was big--between the size of a microwave and washer-dryer unit. I see we have a couple of new units of measure. -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Nov 19 2009, 03:51 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14432 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Microwave (Sojourner) and Washing Machine (Deep Imapct Impactor) are already on the official (but non existent) NASA scale of size objects list
Others I know of... Golf Cart ( MER ) Mini Cooper ( MSL ) School Bus ( Cassini ) Squash Court ( Eagle Crater ) Utah ( Hematite & Meridiani ) Thrust should be expressed in the weight of a piece of paper, or multiples of Jumbo Jets. All rocks, described in terms of the closest representing piece of fruit. |
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Nov 19 2009, 09:15 PM
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Senior Member Group: Admin Posts: 4763 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Glendale, AZ Member No.: 197 |
Also any extremely elongated asteroid is described in multiples of "Manhattan" with Eros being the most commonly mentioned body as "twice the size of Manhattan".
-------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Nov 19 2009, 09:58 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 22-September 08 From: Spain Member No.: 4350 |
The amount of propane in the atmosphere of Titan is measured in Labor Day Barbecues.
I wonder how many Labor Day Barbecues of fuel are needed to provide enough Jumbo Jets of thrust to propel a Washing Machine to Ludicrous speed. |
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Nov 19 2009, 10:14 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2920 Joined: 14-February 06 From: Very close to the Pyrénées Mountains (France) Member No.: 682 |
Microwave (Sojourner) and Washing Machine (Deep Imapct Impactor) are already on the official (but non existent) NASA scale of size objects list Others I know of... As soon as Spirit is making progress extracting herself from Troy, I don't mind new references been invented. In France a very little distance is said as been "1/4th of a fly ass hair" (sorry for the rude reference) -------------------- |
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Nov 19 2009, 11:14 PM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
That's OK, we're used to rude Frenchmen.
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Nov 19 2009, 11:25 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3516 Joined: 4-November 05 From: North Wales Member No.: 542 |
Excuse me, but on the ships I sailed the proper term for a small quantity was 'half a gnat's cock'.
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