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Mar 4 2010, 06:22 AM
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The actual closest flyby altitude was ultimately 67km due to an engine overburn ... http://webservices.esa.int/blog/blog/7
New SPICE kernels are in as well, taking us to 20Mar and hence the remaining close flybys. Just to add confusion, the table below states UTC times and not ephemeris times as my earlier table: CODE 2010-03-07 01:27:37 Close Phobos flyby at 122km. Relative speed 10,488km
2010-03-10 05:59:37 Close Phobos flyby at 288km. Relative speed 10,406km 2010-03-13 10:31:41 Close Phobos flyby at 477km. Relative speed 10,330km 2010-03-16 15:03:48 Phobos flyby at 664km. Relative speed 10,262km 2010-03-19 19:35:58 Phobos flyby at 850km. Relative speed 10,201km -------------------- |
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Mar 4 2010, 09:12 PM
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#137
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 53 Joined: 15-July 09 Member No.: 4867 |
Some early pictures are released
This image was taken 656km across. |
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Mar 4 2010, 10:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1582 Joined: 14-October 05 From: Vermont Member No.: 530 |
The grooves are beginning to look more like crater chains.
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Mar 4 2010, 11:19 PM
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Some early pictures are released LOL indeed - the flybys so far have not even included imaging. The image you direct link to without citation is from here : http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMIPX6K56G_0.html Which then links to here : http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMIPX6K56G_1.html Where we find out QUOTE This image of Phobos’s surface was obtained by the Super Resolution Channel (or SRC, a part of the High Resolution Stereo Camera experiment) on board ESA’s Mars Express on 3 August 2008 (orbit 5889). The distance from the moon’s centre was 656 km, and the image resolution is 6 m/pixel. The original image has been corrected for mirror distortion. So no - they've NOT released early pictures because that's an 18 month old , and they've not even TAKEN any with this new flyby sequence yet. |
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Mar 4 2010, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE The grooves are beginning to look more like crater chains. i see a lot of those chains and these do not look like them I will go look for some and post pics . |
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Mar 4 2010, 11:56 PM
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They couldn't take images in this sequence because MEX had to be in "passive mode" for accurate tracking for the Phobos-gravity experiment.
IIRC, this flyby was over the night side, so the images wouldn't have been too enlightening anyway. Edit: peter59 already said that. -------------------- -- Hungry4info (Sirius_Alpha)
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Mar 5 2010, 12:08 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1582 Joined: 14-October 05 From: Vermont Member No.: 530 |
i see a lot of those chains and these do not look like them I will go look for some and post pics . It's okay-- I know the old debate, which is why I'm curious what they look like at smaller scales. Apparently that photo wasn't it, although I did think they were planning shoots outside the radio science portion of this flyby. |
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Mar 5 2010, 04:26 AM
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It's late, so take this thought experiment as woolly night owl speculation;
We apparently are seeing 'ring residue' on Rhea's surface from a rather tenuous, but seemingly fairly organized orbiting system. Now imagine for the moment, a mini sub-moon (like maybe in the 1-2km range) placed ~~1000km above Rhea's equator. What does the 'ring residue' look like if it 'splats' onto the 1-2 km sub-moon ? (or more precisely, what does the sub-moon look like after it is splattered) (I think the size of the sub-moon might need to be closely constrained, I am trying to minimize shepherding effects) Plausibly Phobos-like, or completely un-Phobos like? Could dust (crud) knocked off Deimos organize to the extent of the Rhean residue, apparently detected by Cassini's MIMI instrument, on it's way spiraling down to Mars ? |
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Mar 5 2010, 05:38 AM
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QUOTE It's okay-- I know the old debate well it is an old one at that -- idea from above post ????????????? what if .... a ring ( at mars) was at the same orbit as Phobos and the moon eat-up the ring . and the ring material carved out the lines - like from a sand-blaster i have NO evidence, but... |
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Mar 5 2010, 11:38 AM
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Mar 5 2010, 01:02 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 568 Joined: 20-April 05 From: Silesia Member No.: 299 |
Date Altitude (km) * Instruments used during flyby
16 February 991 PFS, SPICAM, ASPERA 22 February 574 PFS, SPICAM, ASPERA 25 February 398 PFS, MARSIS 28 February 226 PFS, MARSIS 03 March 50 MaRS, ASPERA 07 March 107 HRSC, OMEGA, MARSIS, SPICAM, ASPERA 10 March 286 HRSC, OMEGA, MARSIS, ASPERA 13 March 476 HRSC, SPICAM, PFS, ASPERA 16 March 662 HRSC, SPICAM, PFS, ASPERA 19 March 848 HRSC, SPICAM, PFS, ASPERA 23 March 1341 Not used 26 March 1304 HRSC, SPICAM, PFS, -------------------- Free software for planetary science (including Cassini Image Viewer).
http://members.tripod.com/petermasek/marinerall.html |
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Mar 5 2010, 04:09 PM
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John W,
I would expect the deposition of ring material to build mountains, not canyons (see Atlas, Pan). Unless it was less of a ring and more of an asteroid belt. The grooves are beginning to look more like crater chains. I agree they look like them. (image from MRO below) The crater chain hypothesis fails to explain why the linear features on Phobos are in series of parallel lines. There are sets of parallel lines pointing one direction, and sets of parallel lines pointing another direction. What about tidal fracturing (with loose material filling the gaps, falling in a funnel-like pattern to produce the observed crater shapes) followed by reorienting of the moon by some mechanism, then continued tidal stress in a new orientation. As for the two criss-crosing linear features in the image below, I have no idea. -------------------- -- Hungry4info (Sirius_Alpha)
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Mar 5 2010, 06:04 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 568 Joined: 20-April 05 From: Silesia Member No.: 299 |
-------------------- Free software for planetary science (including Cassini Image Viewer).
http://members.tripod.com/petermasek/marinerall.html |
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Mar 5 2010, 06:13 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1421 Joined: 26-July 08 Member No.: 4270 |
Too much noise for my limited skills to bring out anything notable on the night side.
-------------------- -- Hungry4info (Sirius_Alpha)
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Mar 5 2010, 06:38 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 48 Joined: 8-December 05 Member No.: 603 |
The crater chain hypothesis fails to explain why the linear features on Phobos are in series of parallel lines. There are sets of parallel lines pointing one direction, and sets of parallel lines pointing another direction. I thought there was a theory that the sets of parallel lines were caused by ejecta from impacts on Mars? |
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