Cape York - Shoemaker Ridge and the NE traverse, Starting sol 2735 |
Cape York - Shoemaker Ridge and the NE traverse, Starting sol 2735 |
Oct 17 2011, 11:24 PM
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It looks like mostly dust on the surface in this region where the clays might be. Do the instruments on CRISM detect subsurface signatures of the phyllosilicates? If it's all under the dust layer, Oppy might have to drag a wheel to scrape it off, like her sister once did unwittingly and uncovered some discoveries. Or maybe just spin a wheel.
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Oct 18 2011, 02:56 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4246 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
Intriguing post from Maxwell:
QUOTE Today's drive should let us peek over the edge toward the putative phyllosilicates. Unclear whether we'll go there before or after winter. Can't wait to see where we'll end up... |
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Oct 18 2011, 03:09 AM
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Could the phyllosilicates be in the dust? I guess you'd still have to have an anchored source nearby or they'd be blown all over the planet by now, but the source itself could be much smaller than the CRISM signatures. Along with Bill, I would be searching for more of those light-colored veins.
Maybe this guy knows the answer. (I was dying to post this earlier in the thread, along with the Tardis and the door, but couldn't find the print.) |
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Oct 18 2011, 04:32 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2998 Joined: 30-October 04 Member No.: 105 |
We got a significant set of images in the Evening Data Express-- a series of "boot-toe scuff" Pancams in the close-in "systematic foreground" format in full L and R filter sets, command sequence P2559. This is a good indication that Oppy is at or near the site of the CRISM signal.
Meanwhile, read up on CRISM: http://crism.jhuapl.edu/ --Bill -------------------- |
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Oct 18 2011, 08:09 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1084 Joined: 19-February 05 From: Close to Meudon Observatory in France Member No.: 172 |
Meanwhile, read up on CRISM: http://crism.jhuapl.edu/ --Bill ... Well, this data took 42 years to reach us... It must come from the old Mariners : "Release Date: Dec 31, 1969" : a nice typo ... |
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Oct 18 2011, 09:43 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2821 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Ridderkerk, Netherlands Member No.: 353 |
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Oct 18 2011, 09:54 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2821 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Ridderkerk, Netherlands Member No.: 353 |
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Oct 18 2011, 01:26 PM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
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Oct 18 2011, 01:34 PM
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Well, this data took 42 years to reach us...
...and shows the value of persistence. --Bill -------------------- |
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Oct 18 2011, 02:05 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2920 Joined: 14-February 06 From: Very close to the Pyrénées Mountains (France) Member No.: 682 |
Could the phyllosilicates be in the dust? I guess you'd still have to have an anchored source nearby or they'd be blown all over the planet by now, but the source itself could be much smaller than the CRISM signatures. Along with Bill, I would be searching for more of those light-colored veins. Maybe this guy knows the answer. (I was dying to post this earlier in the thread, along with the Tardis and the door, but couldn't find the print.) Where is this? I'm currently in Arica, North Chile, and can see such things everyday... -------------------- |
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Oct 18 2011, 06:09 PM
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...I'm currently in Arica, North Chile, and can see such things everyday... Was in that same region a couple of years ago, visited the ESO's VLT, astounding how Mars-like the landscape is there. The Atacama makes the Mojave look like a lush garden! It's the place to go to get a sense of Mars on Earth. |
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Oct 18 2011, 06:45 PM
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astounding how Mars-like the landscape is there. The Atacama makes the Mojave look like a lush garden! It's the place to go to get a sense of Mars on Earth. Yep! More Gussev like actually! Look at this Dust Devil I shot yesterday! They were 10's of them. Steve S. said recentely in an interview that Oppy is experiencing some cleaning in CY but there is no such a thing as DD -------------------- |
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Oct 18 2011, 09:19 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3516 Joined: 4-November 05 From: North Wales Member No.: 542 |
Could the phyllosilicates be in the dust? No, or not mainly so, because as you point out dust is too mobile. There wouldn't be a striking hole in the distribution inside the crater, a place that is clearly accessible to dust. The clay minerals must either themselves consist of larger fragments or coat larger fragments of something else, possibly shattered igneous material. Clay minerals as an external weathered layer on harder grains would fit with Bill's suggestion that the clays formed in cracks rather than being the main bulk constituent of a 'clay layer'. This leads to the question of whether or not the clays formed before the Endeavour impact. Accepting PaulM's obsevation that the clays on Cape Tribulation seem to follow layers I would say this leaves at least two possibilities open. Either, as PaulM suggests, there were clay-rich layers in place before the impact or, perhaps, there were layers of some rock that had the propensity to form clay minerals in fractures produced by the impact, presumably in the continuing presence of moisture. If we are seeing clay signatures from external coatings on many gravel-sized fragments I think that could point to the latter. It's a complicated place and too early to draw conclusions for sure, but not too early to be thinking about it. I just marvel and celebrate the fact that we are freely provided with so much information that we can do that. |
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Oct 18 2011, 11:41 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 813 Joined: 8-February 04 From: Arabia Terra Member No.: 12 |
QUOTE Sol Seq.Ver ETH ESF EDN EFF ERP Tot Description ----- -------- --- --- --- --- --- ---- ----------- 02750 p1595.02 0 0 0 0 0 0 navcam_sun_images_for_msl_pri58 Gathering info for Curiosity? |
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Oct 19 2011, 12:20 AM
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They did that quite some time ago as well - checking how well the Navcam's can be used for sunfinding.
One result looked like this : http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...GTP1926L0M1.JPG another http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...6AP1926L0M1.JPG |
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