Reprocessing Historical Images, Looking for REALLY big challenges? |
Reprocessing Historical Images, Looking for REALLY big challenges? |
Aug 11 2005, 09:50 PM
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#196
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1276 Joined: 25-November 04 Member No.: 114 |
Looking forward to it!!!
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Aug 17 2005, 01:56 PM
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#197
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Interplanetary Dumpster Diver Group: Admin Posts: 4404 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
Update. The Pioneer 11 Io raw image has been shipped to me and is en route. Might arrive today! (I am now headed to campus to check mail )
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Aug 24 2005, 11:29 AM
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#198
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1870 Joined: 20-February 05 Member No.: 174 |
AH!... I found it.
CD with images I made years ago of Surveyor 3 color images. I scanned RGB images out of NASA and JPL publications and composited them. These versions are copyright 1997, by Edwin L. Strickland III Of greatest interest are the only 2 images of a Solar eclipse from the moon.... what we call a Lunar eclipse. NASA press-released only one, the worst of the two, and processed it badly. Somebody... Phil?.. needs to to this from original negatives, not out of government publication halftones. |
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Aug 24 2005, 11:59 AM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10153 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
Hey, ed - lovely colour pan on the other thread! I have seen the Surveyor negatives at LPI in Houston... it would be a real hassle to find the negs you needed, though, the stuff is not very well organized. I was looking at prints, and found several mis-labelled folders. And the negative indexing is not going to be easy to use. But nobody uses it these days so there is no incentive to fix the problem.
On a related reprocessing note, I just received a review copy of Charles Byrne's "Lunar Orbiter Photographic Atlas of the Near Side of the Moon". Byrne reprocessed scanned cpies of Lunar Orbiter images to remove the striping ( a parallel effort using better source material in in progress at USGS in Flagstaff). This book has hundreds of cleaned-up images, very nice, plus a CD with the whole set including frames not in the book. There are some problems with organization and indexing, but on the whole it's very good. Charles Byrne worked at Bellcomm (the blurb writer for the back cover spells it Bellcore!), and when I met him in Houston he told me he kept the minutes for the Apollo Site Selection Board... which I had just been reading in LPI. Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Aug 24 2005, 12:24 PM
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Interplanetary Dumpster Diver Group: Admin Posts: 4404 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
Edstrick - Excellent images - those are the best of a lot of those images I have seen.
Phil - Why does this lunar atlas just cover the near side - is a sequel in the works? -------------------- |
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Aug 24 2005, 01:15 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10153 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
Ted, there were two major reference atlases from the Orbiter data in the 60s, the Lunar Orbiter Photographic Atlas, and the Atlas and Gazetteer of the Near Side of the Moon. This one is a sort of hybrid. It includes images from the first one, with names on a second version of the images, but only covers the near side. I don't know if a second volume is planned for the far side, but I doubt it. Most LO4 images were near side, with a much smaller number for the far side, so I would have expected the far side to be just added to this one. Maybe I'm wrong.
One flaw with the book (I'm composing my review a bit prematurely here...) is poor indexing. It's tricky to find the image you want. A set of coverage/index maps would have been useful. Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Aug 24 2005, 01:47 PM
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Interplanetary Dumpster Diver Group: Admin Posts: 4404 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Aug 24 2005, 01:15 PM) Ted, there were two major reference atlases from the Orbiter data in the 60s, the Lunar Orbiter Photographic Atlas, and the Atlas and Gazetteer of the Near Side of the Moon. This one is a sort of hybrid. It includes images from the first one, with names on a second version of the images, but only covers the near side. I don't know if a second volume is planned for the far side, but I doubt it. Most LO4 images were near side, with a much smaller number for the far side, so I would have expected the far side to be just added to this one. Maybe I'm wrong. One flaw with the book (I'm composing my review a bit prematurely here...) is poor indexing. It's tricky to find the image you want. A set of coverage/index maps would have been useful. Phil Yes, the books you speak of from the 60s have been checked out from our college library quite a few times by a certain Professor Stryk in Humanities. Does this new book contain the image numbers? If so, the previously mentioned references could be used in conjunction for navigation - as I recall, they contain maps. -------------------- |
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Aug 24 2005, 02:41 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2454 Joined: 8-July 05 From: NGC 5907 Member No.: 430 |
QUOTE (tedstryk @ Aug 24 2005, 08:47 AM) Yes, the books you speak of from the 60s have been checked out from our college library quite a few times by a certain Professor Stryk in Humanities. Does this new book contain the image numbers? If so, the previously mentioned references could be used in conjunction for navigation - as I recall, they contain maps. You probably know about this, but just in case: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/lunar_orbiter/ Go to this Web site and scroll down to the Lunar Orbiter section: http://www.geocities.com/bobandrepont/unmannedpdf.htm -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Aug 24 2005, 03:36 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10153 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
The Byrne book contains image numbers. The 'Guide to Lunar Orbiter Photographs' from the same period as the others is an excellent way to find useful images.
As for the LPI site, this book is closely related to that. I think Byrne used the LPI online images or their original scanned versions as his raw materials. His book is like the LPI site on paper, in a sense, except it isn't searchable so readily and - on paper - it only has a subset of the images. The CD-ROM bound in it has them all. Note that this is not the same as the work being done at USGS to digitize and clean up the Orbiter images. That is being done at much higher resolution. Stryk, Strick, Stooke - I think we need some new names around here! Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Aug 24 2005, 04:17 PM
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Interplanetary Dumpster Diver Group: Admin Posts: 4404 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Aug 24 2005, 03:36 PM) True -------------------- |
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Aug 25 2005, 10:29 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1870 Joined: 20-February 05 Member No.: 174 |
<nods at Phil and grins at Ted>
Ever see the books by Paul Lowman, "Space Panorama" and "Lunar Panorama"? http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/Search...tn=panorama&x=0 ABEbooks.com lists 12 copies total of the two... That's pretty good..some as cheap as 35$ .. I'd been looking for them for 30+ years when I finally found copies via the Advanced Book Exchange. They have the highest quality reproductions of images from Earth orbiting and lunar missions that I'd seen at the time, far better than the milky-gray government printing office books. Lowman's still around, one of the world's great experts in aerial and space photogeology. |
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Aug 25 2005, 09:10 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2488 Joined: 17-April 05 From: Glasgow, Scotland, UK Member No.: 239 |
QUOTE (edstrick @ Aug 25 2005, 11:29 AM) <nods at Phil and grins at Ted> Ever see the books by Paul Lowman, "Space Panorama" and "Lunar Panorama"? I've ordered 'Space Panorama' and 'Lunar Panorama' - I hope the latter one is as good as Michael Light's 'Full Moon'! -------------------- Remember: Time Flies like the wind - but Fruit Flies like bananas!
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Aug 25 2005, 09:29 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10153 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
Edstrick is right, Lowman's book 'Lunar Panorama' is excellent. The reproductions were superb. Lowman is plugging away at things like lunar observatories these days. They are probably looking more likely today than they have for a long time, as part of the scientific rationale for a return to the Moon.
Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Aug 25 2005, 09:40 PM
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Interplanetary Dumpster Diver Group: Admin Posts: 4404 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
QUOTE (edstrick @ Aug 25 2005, 10:29 AM) <nods at Phil and grins at Ted> Ever see the books by Paul Lowman, "Space Panorama" and "Lunar Panorama"? http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/Search...tn=panorama&x=0 ABEbooks.com lists 12 copies total of the two... That's pretty good..some as cheap as 35$ .. I'd been looking for them for 30+ years when I finally found copies via the Advanced Book Exchange. They have the highest quality reproductions of images from Earth orbiting and lunar missions that I'd seen at the time, far better than the milky-gray government printing office books. Lowman's still around, one of the world's great experts in aerial and space photogeology. Those are great books. Lunar Panorama is another frequent check out for me! -------------------- |
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Aug 25 2005, 09:59 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1630 Joined: 5-March 05 From: Boulder, CO Member No.: 184 |
QUOTE (tedstryk @ Jul 21 2005, 07:27 PM) Ted, This turns out to be one that caught my eye for a good map update. I'll continue to look at the other imagery you sent me. For now, you can see my update at http://laps.fsl.noaa.gov/albers/sos/sos.html#OBERON. Thanks again for sharing your good work. There's enough discussion on the Uranian satellites here that I'd almost like to suggest moving these posts to a new Uranus forum in the Outer Planets section. -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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