IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

11 Pages V  « < 7 8 9 10 11 >  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
CE-2 flyby of Toutatis
elakdawalla
post Dec 19 2012, 01:39 AM
Post #121


Administrator
****

Group: Admin
Posts: 5172
Joined: 4-August 05
From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth
Member No.: 454



For now, huh.gif is just about the most informed comment I can make, too.

A thought: would anyone who is a more skilled image processor than I like to take a crack at a rigorous approach to determining whether we can tell if we're looking at multiple copies of the same image, or at different images? Are we even sure that the rumored 47km one (of which we only have a screen grab from a webcast, as far as I know) shows anything distinctly different from the ones in the multi-image montage?


--------------------
My website - My Patreon - @elakdawalla on Twitter - Please support unmannedspaceflight.com by donating here.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Phil Stooke
post Dec 19 2012, 03:26 AM
Post #122


Solar System Cartographer
****

Group: Members
Posts: 10153
Joined: 5-April 05
From: Canada
Member No.: 227



I took the smallest image and blew it up to the size of the largest, pasted it over the largest and flipped between them (as layers in Photoshop). There seemed to be a real sense of a small amount of rotation - really a change in view direction, not rotation of the asteroid. I can't post it as an animated GIF (maybe someone else can) but it looked real to me.

Phil



--------------------
... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.

Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke
Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf
NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
elakdawalla
post Dec 19 2012, 04:29 AM
Post #123


Administrator
****

Group: Admin
Posts: 5172
Joined: 4-August 05
From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth
Member No.: 454



Thank you. Since I have a history of "seeing" parallax in image pairs that don't have it, I didn't trust my own examination.


--------------------
My website - My Patreon - @elakdawalla on Twitter - Please support unmannedspaceflight.com by donating here.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Stefan
post Dec 19 2012, 07:55 PM
Post #124


Junior Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 52
Joined: 16-November 06
Member No.: 1364



Somehow I am reminded of the time of the Huygens landing, when somebody posted an anaglyph of two identical DISR images on the web, and people claimed to see depth...
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Paolo
post Dec 19 2012, 08:41 PM
Post #125


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1729
Joined: 3-August 06
From: 43° 35' 53" N 1° 26' 35" E
Member No.: 1004



the translation of an interview on the Chinese-led international effort to refine the orbit of Toutatis, using telescopes in China, Hawaii and Chile
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/tra...fEayz1jbqoh7j2g

I was wondering whether optical navigation was ever carried out by CE-2 before the encounter. I don't think any of the cameras was suited for this. the webcams were probably not sensitive enough to spot Toutatis more than a few hours before the encounter, and the science camera had its well known limitations
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Paolo
post Dec 22 2012, 09:09 AM
Post #126


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1729
Joined: 3-August 06
From: 43° 35' 53" N 1° 26' 35" E
Member No.: 1004



QUOTE (machi @ Dec 16 2012, 11:15 AM) *
According to this abstract, CE-2 has four monitoring cameras (+ fifth camera - scientific stereo camera).


I was able to get a copy of this paper, which I will not redistribute. it's in Chinese, but you also have a table with the camera characteristics that is quite understandable.
for pixel count, the "landing" and engine monitoring cameras are 1280 x 1024, while the two other cams are 1024 x 1024. they are all 8-bit, color cameras.
the solar panel monitoring camera is just 358 grams in mass and consumes 2.45 W.
what the paper lacks is a table giving the field of view of each camera. in the case of the engine monitoring one it is stated in the text to be 40 degree wide, while the antenna monitoring camera seems to be a 139 degree fisheye, if I understand correctly the google translation.
there is a picture of each camera, and the solar panel monitoring one looks slightly different from the others for its longish optics, probably some kind of narrow angle lens (which would make sense for its use in the Toutatis encounter)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Phil Stooke
post Dec 23 2012, 03:58 AM
Post #127


Solar System Cartographer
****

Group: Members
Posts: 10153
Joined: 5-April 05
From: Canada
Member No.: 227



I am surprised that an optical astronomy campaign would have been needed to refine the orbit of Toutatis. I would have thought that the radar data collected over the last two decades would have made it one of the best known orbits of any asteroid.

Phil


--------------------
... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.

Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke
Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf
NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Paolo
post Dec 23 2012, 08:38 AM
Post #128


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1729
Joined: 3-August 06
From: 43° 35' 53" N 1° 26' 35" E
Member No.: 1004



QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Dec 23 2012, 04:58 AM) *
I am surprised that an optical astronomy campaign would have been needed to refine the orbit of Toutatis.


I don't think it was strictly needed either. after all, the ephemeris of Toutatis in JPL's Horizon have uncertainties of the order of several kilometers, which is notable for an asteroid. plus, it's not through optical astrometry that you are going to get a more precise orbital determination.
my feeling is that the Chinese wanted to demonstrate the full process that would normally be needed for an asteroid mission. I have seen lists of alternative flyby candidates for CE-2 and they are all smallish, unnumbered objects for which an optical astrometry campaign would have been necessary.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Paolo
post Dec 23 2012, 10:26 AM
Post #129


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1729
Joined: 3-August 06
From: 43° 35' 53" N 1° 26' 35" E
Member No.: 1004



just found a paper (marked "for academic exchange only") that gives some technical overview of the asteroid flyby target selection
http://www.docin.com/p-413770925.html
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Paolo
post Jan 3 2013, 08:35 PM
Post #130


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1729
Joined: 3-August 06
From: 43° 35' 53" N 1° 26' 35" E
Member No.: 1004



I am a bit surprised and disappointed that neither Science nor Nature (nor Aviation Week) have said a single word on the flyby in their latest issues...
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
JimOberg
post Jan 8 2013, 05:25 AM
Post #131


Junior Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 43
Joined: 11-March 10
From: Houston, Texas, USA
Member No.: 5259



QUOTE (Paolo @ Jan 3 2013, 09:35 PM) *
I am a bit surprised and disappointed that neither Science nor Nature (nor Aviation Week) have said a single word on the flyby in their latest issues...


I agree. Three weeks have passed and not another peep about the success in the Chinese news media. This is very odd.


Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Phil Stooke
post Jan 8 2013, 08:22 PM
Post #132


Solar System Cartographer
****

Group: Members
Posts: 10153
Joined: 5-April 05
From: Canada
Member No.: 227



SBAG meeting:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/sbag/meetings/jan2013/agenda.shtml


9:30–10:15 a.m. Chang'e 2 flyby of Toutatis (Han Li, Chinese Academy of Sciences)


This is where we can expect something useful.

Phil



--------------------
... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.

Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke
Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf
NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Paolo
post Jan 15 2013, 08:16 PM
Post #133


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1729
Joined: 3-August 06
From: 43° 35' 53" N 1° 26' 35" E
Member No.: 1004



QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jan 8 2013, 09:22 PM) *
9:30–10:15 a.m. Chang'e 2 flyby of Toutatis (Han Li, Chinese Academy of Sciences)


I couldn't see the presentation on webex (I was at work at the time) and I have seen only a few details of it on twitter and facebook. anybody knows more?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Phil Stooke
post Jan 18 2013, 11:39 PM
Post #134


Solar System Cartographer
****

Group: Members
Posts: 10153
Joined: 5-April 05
From: Canada
Member No.: 227



http://www.lpi.usra.edu/sbag/meetings/jan2...CE_Toutatis.pdf

!

Phil



--------------------
... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.

Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke
Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf
NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Paolo
post Jan 19 2013, 09:24 AM
Post #135


Senior Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1729
Joined: 3-August 06
From: 43° 35' 53" N 1° 26' 35" E
Member No.: 1004



the repositioning of the solar panels reported in the timeline here makes even more sense: they had the solar panels covering part of the field of view and they ensured that they would be seeing the dark side of them.
it would be great to have the video embedded in that presentation...
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

11 Pages V  « < 7 8 9 10 11 >
Reply to this topicStart new topic

 



RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 27th April 2024 - 07:43 AM
RULES AND GUIDELINES
Please read the Forum Rules and Guidelines before posting.

IMAGE COPYRIGHT
Images posted on UnmannedSpaceflight.com may be copyrighted. Do not reproduce without permission. Read here for further information on space images and copyright.

OPINIONS AND MODERATION
Opinions expressed on UnmannedSpaceflight.com are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of UnmannedSpaceflight.com or The Planetary Society. The all-volunteer UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderation team is wholly independent of The Planetary Society. The Planetary Society has no influence over decisions made by the UnmannedSpaceflight.com moderators.
SUPPORT THE FORUM
Unmannedspaceflight.com is funded by the Planetary Society. Please consider supporting our work and many other projects by donating to the Society or becoming a member.