Winter campaign at Cook Haven, Sol 3512 - 3599 (December 13, 2013 - March 10, 2014) |
Winter campaign at Cook Haven, Sol 3512 - 3599 (December 13, 2013 - March 10, 2014) |
Jan 22 2014, 09:26 PM
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XYL Code Genius Group: Members Posts: 138 Joined: 23-November 05 Member No.: 566 |
Looking at this:
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA17761 I think a few small pebbles slightly below the rock moved too. |
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Jan 23 2014, 04:20 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 507 Joined: 10-September 08 Member No.: 4338 |
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Jan 23 2014, 12:06 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 20-March 10 From: Western Australia Member No.: 5275 |
Marsquake? Or should we see more substantial alteration to the enviroment? Wait for MRO check for impact theory, if none, then a bit of back tracking might reveal more moving rocks and pebbles.
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Jan 23 2014, 04:36 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4246 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
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Jan 23 2014, 04:53 PM
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Member Group: Admin Posts: 976 Joined: 29-September 06 From: Pasadena, CA - USA Member No.: 1200 |
The main problem with propelling PI is converting the very slow rover and wheel movement into rapid PI movement, ... From my observations of the testbed when driving and turning on hard surfaces, the right rocker can store large amounts of energy in the deflection during a turn or a drive. When the energy gets released it is released in a very short amount of time and has quite a punch. So *I* would not be surprised if PI was kicked by the RF wheel using energy stored in the strut during a maneuver. See, not only the rock was moved, but also turned upside down, I think. I doubt we will ever know what really happened. I also think that Oppy is just trying to steal some of the attention Curry is getting. Paolo -------------------- Disclaimer: all opinions, ideas and information included here are my own,and should not be intended to represent opinion or policy of my employer.
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Jan 23 2014, 05:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 507 Joined: 10-September 08 Member No.: 4338 |
...what image is that ...? http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...DPP1214L0M1.JPG Front hazcam from Sol 3514. By the way I had to manually massage the right image (rear hazcam Sol 3540 taken from further away) to get it to approaximately match the perspective. I stretched the Y-coord, rotated, and then squeezed the X. |
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Jan 23 2014, 09:13 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 866 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Santa Cruz, CA Member No.: 196 |
From my observations of the testbed when driving and turning on hard surfaces, the right rocker can store large amounts of energy in the deflection during a turn or a drive. When the energy gets released it is released in a very short amount of time and has quite a punch. So *I* would not be surprised if PI was kicked by the RF wheel using energy stored in the strut during a maneuver. See, not only the rock was moved, but also turned upside down, I think. I doubt we will ever know what really happened. I also think that Oppy is just trying to steal some of the attention Curry is getting. Paolo Very interesting and illuminating Paolo. I had visions of this monotonously slow crawl, its good to know Oppy has some 'spunk' in its legs! In the dislodged rock from marsophile's 'Before and after' sequence a few posts above, the area 'kicked up' is so flat that it is surprising a rock could have been pulled up, as its definitely a rock and not a 'divot' as evident in the xeye below. That it was actually exhumed without any apparent prominent feature that the wheel could 'hook' onto to pull it up so the wheel must have had to dig in to something at just the right place to pull it up. That said, it doesn't seem obvious as the source for PI, though there isn't enough detail to be sure, its could be a broke-off section of it.. |
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Jan 23 2014, 09:22 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4246 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
Yeah, thanks Paolo for that insight.
In today's teleconference, Squyres thought that the source of PI is currently out of view below the rover. They plan to move and image the area to try locate it. |
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Jan 24 2014, 01:04 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4246 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
Speaking of moving, there was a tiny shift in position on 3555 (with new rhazcams). Compare these frames:
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...0M1.JPG?sol3551 http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...0M1.JPG?sol3555 |
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Jan 24 2014, 07:07 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 507 Joined: 10-September 08 Member No.: 4338 |
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Jan 24 2014, 09:44 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 9-October 12 Member No.: 6694 |
My idea:
First the wheels of Opportunity had loosen the little rock out of the ground, increasing its wind attack surface. Second step is the wind that came and blew it down the slope. Do we have any knowledge about the weight of this piece? And what about wind speed during the last sols? |
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Jan 24 2014, 03:50 PM
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Member Group: Admin Posts: 976 Joined: 29-September 06 From: Pasadena, CA - USA Member No.: 1200 |
If there was a wind so powerful to move and turn over this rock, the solar deck would as clean as new and we would definitely know about it.
Paolo PS: Happy 10 to all of you. -------------------- Disclaimer: all opinions, ideas and information included here are my own,and should not be intended to represent opinion or policy of my employer.
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Jan 24 2014, 07:34 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 9-October 12 Member No.: 6694 |
Sorry, Paolo, but I can't imagine even a storm cleaning the solar cells.
I never had a clean car after I ran the German Autobahn. |
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Jan 24 2014, 08:12 PM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
Here's an interesting factoid I learned while doing book research: wind more readily lifts sand-sized particles than clay-sized particles, both on Earth and on Mars. It was a mystery until pretty recently how dust was getting lifted off the Martian ground into the atmosphere, when sand didn't seem to move much. Dust devils seen by MGS provided one answer, with their vacuuming effect -- that could lift dust, while straight-line winds couldn't. Then Spirit's MI provided another answer, showing that dust on rocks in Gusev had clumped into aggregates large enough for the wind to effectively pick up before the aggregates poofed apart into their component dust particles. So if you see a surface that's really coated by really fine dust, it's not obvious that even a strong wind will clear that dust off, yet another reason that the fact that cleaning events happen is such a pleasant surprise.
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Jan 24 2014, 08:55 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 507 Joined: 10-September 08 Member No.: 4338 |
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