James Webb Space Telescope, information, updates and discussion |
James Webb Space Telescope, information, updates and discussion |
Jan 7 2022, 03:42 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2920 Joined: 14-February 06 From: Very close to the Pyrénées Mountains (France) Member No.: 682 |
Questions : is Chang’e 2 orbiter still in L2 ? I believe it’s the only one active there. Does it have any chance to take a picture of Webb ?
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Jan 7 2022, 03:44 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1582 Joined: 14-October 05 From: Vermont Member No.: 530 |
Questions : is Chang’e 2 orbiter still in L2 ? I believe it’s the only one active there. Does it have any chance to take a picture of Webb ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_objec...range_points#L2 With regards to Chang'e2 ... I don't know. But if we hear, we should perhaps update the wiki article. |
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Jan 7 2022, 03:52 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1629 Joined: 5-March 05 From: Boulder, CO Member No.: 184 |
Maybe they left out cameras to eliminate any unnecessary heat generating activities, especially on the cold mirror side. Yes that's part of it with the other considerations explained here: https://blogs.nasa.gov/webb/2022/01/06/why-...oyment-cameras/ By the way, the first mirror wing deployment is in progress! There is a plan for live NASA TV coverage Jan 8 around 1400 UTC for the second wing. -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Jan 7 2022, 04:46 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2530 Joined: 20-April 05 Member No.: 321 |
Amateur telescopes will be able to image JWST (as a dot), given ephemeris and depending upon the reflective properties of the exposed sunshield. In fact, an amateur already did so while it was about 1/6 of the way to L2, and longer exposures will enable this to occur during its main mission. Of course, larger professional telescopes including HST will be able to image it.
But the sunshield will be the only part in sunlight, by design. We are never going to see pictures of it deployed looking elegant. |
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Jan 7 2022, 05:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 3-February 20 From: Paris (France) Member No.: 8747 |
Questions : is Chang’e 2 orbiter still in L2 ? I believe it’s the only one active there. Does it have any chance to take a picture of Webb ? Good evening, Excerpts from Wikipedia: "According to Ouyang Ziyuan at the 16th conference of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, Chang'e 2 left Lagrange Point L2 on 15 April 2012 to fly over asteroid (4179) Toutatis." "The probe is then placed on a flight path of the asteroid (4179) Toutatis15. The meeting took place on 13 December at 8:30 UTC at a relative speed of 10.73 km/s. Chang'e 2 passes a distance of 3.2 km from the asteroid and manages to take a dozen images of the asteroid with a maximum resolution of 10 meters per pixel." "Since 2012, Chang'e 2 has left Earth-Moon space. In 2016, Chang'e 2 has reached a distance of 200 million km from Earth. The probe is used to verify the Chinese network tracking capabilities for far space. It could return to the terrestrial environment around 2029." |
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Jan 7 2022, 06:14 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14432 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
It's worth adding - the Lagrange points are not.....'points'. The spacecraft at L1, for example....there can be >500,00km between them, as they halo-orbit they way around.
For example, right now it's 468,000km between SOHO and DSCOVR, and 694,000km between DSCOVR and WIND, and 482,00km between WIND and SOHO Even for something as powerful as HiRISE JWST would be a fraction of a pixel at those distances. |
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Jan 7 2022, 07:22 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2920 Joined: 14-February 06 From: Very close to the Pyrénées Mountains (France) Member No.: 682 |
Thanks Doug, I knew it was a halo but didn’t knew it was that large
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Jan 7 2022, 07:38 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2530 Joined: 20-April 05 Member No.: 321 |
The left wing of primary mirror segments has been successfully deployed. Right wing deployment should begin next. There's no single moment when we will suddenly say that the risks of a successful JWST mission are all behind us, but things are definitely looking good now.
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Jan 8 2022, 03:54 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 191 Joined: 20-November 06 From: Saint Louis Member No.: 1376 |
The telescope is now fully deployed, though latching activities continue.
Congratulations to the team! NASA Twitter -------------------- - Matt
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Jan 8 2022, 07:08 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2530 Joined: 20-April 05 Member No.: 321 |
This is a slowly-unfolding victory taking place. There are still many, many fine-tunings to be made with the actuators that will reorient each mirror segment to fine precision, and that step is crucially important to attaining proper focus. With memories of HST's focus problems, I don't want to count JWST's deployment as complete before this is done, but it certainly seems like the biggest points of failure – certainly by far the largest number of them – have been put behind the mission.
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Jan 8 2022, 07:39 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 13-June 08 Member No.: 4206 |
Not really worried about optics or focusing. Each primary segment has 7 degrees of freedom. I'm sure there's enough range to compensate for all sorts of scenarios. Hubble had nowhere near this level of control for focusing. JWST's testing was more integrated too.
Now.. Will the already 10+ years old electronics hold up? Computers/semiconductors, detectors, capacitors.. |
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Jan 8 2022, 07:44 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 39 Joined: 5-June 06 Member No.: 803 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_objec...range_points#L2 With regards to Chang'e2 ... I don't know. But if we hear, we should perhaps update the wiki article. Chang'e2 is at the Earth-Moon L2 point. The JWST is going to be at the Earth-Sun L2 point. These are completely different locations. |
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Jan 8 2022, 08:18 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1729 Joined: 3-August 06 From: 43° 35' 53" N 1° 26' 35" E Member No.: 1004 |
CE-2 is in solar orbit after flying by Toutatis.
CE-5T1 is reportedly at the Earth-Moon L2, like the CE-4 relay satellite The status of return module of CE-5 is not clear. After spending some time at one of the Earth-Sun Lagrangian points it is now back in lunar orbit or in a distant Earth orbit Edit: CE-5 has just been recovered by radio-amateurs in lunar orbit https://twitter.com/coastal8049/status/1479619134681800704 |
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Jan 8 2022, 09:20 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 13-June 08 Member No.: 4206 |
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Jan 8 2022, 09:24 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1629 Joined: 5-March 05 From: Boulder, CO Member No.: 184 |
Heidi Hammel addressed this at today's excellent JWST news conference and Q&A. She indicated that ground based images (already being taken by the amateur community for example) would be more likely than using Hubble. This question at 1:08:40 in the video.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?517137-1/jame...iefing&live She then pivoted the question to joint science between Hubble and JWST. Also a good summary of solar system observations by JWST. -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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