James Webb Space Telescope, information, updates and discussion |
James Webb Space Telescope, information, updates and discussion |
Jul 14 2022, 04:09 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4246 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
Do we know the size of the crater that was caused by that hit on the mirror? My guess is very small, relative to the size of the segment. The concern seems to be for uncorrectable wavefront error, due to distortions of the segments' shapes due to the force of the impacts. There's no mention of significant obscuration from the impacts. The big question is: was this a rare fluke or can we expect more such hits every few months. The commissioning document mentions the possibility of disfavouring pointing along the direction of orbital motion to try to minimize further damage. |
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Jul 14 2022, 04:29 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 228 Joined: 14-January 22 Member No.: 9140 |
The commissioning document mentions the possibility of disfavouring pointing along the direction of orbital motion to try to minimize further damage. The reality of a 20-year mission rather than a 5-year mission gives two good reasons for this: It quadruples whatever rate of impacts, and also allows plenty of time to make up for pointing constraints. All the same observations can still be made, just on a different schedule. |
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Jul 14 2022, 05:16 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1629 Joined: 5-March 05 From: Boulder, CO Member No.: 184 |
It's interesting that some impacts can affect the figure of a segment in a way that can be measured by wavefront sensing. It looks like the scope as a whole had a 10% increase in the rms wavefront error from the impact. Smaller more frequent impacts might ding the segments in a way that scattered light is the main noticeable effect. Sounds like a good idea to point behind the orbital motion direction, after all here on Earth meteors happen much more after midnight than before.
-------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Jul 14 2022, 05:44 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4246 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
Indeed - Fig 3 in the commissioning document shows the wavefront error after the big hit:
The big hit was on C3, at the middle of the lower-right edge. You can see an area of relatively large wavefront error in that segment (around 1 micron in amplitude) - the bright spot. (And it looks like they tried to compensate by tilting/changing the curvature of C3.) But the fact they can get a wavefront error signal right through the impact point, at the resolution of this plot, shows that the crater has to be very small. Presumably you'd get no signal from the damaged surface in the crater. |
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Jul 14 2022, 06:39 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 444 Joined: 1-July 05 From: New York City Member No.: 424 |
I thought there was supposed to be a further release of solar system images today, following the informal release of Jupiter images in the commissioning report. Haven’t found anything so far.
Edit: I was misled by a few terse tweets from yesterday. According to an article on inverse.com, a general-interest site that's new to me, what’s happening today, or soon, is a release of data from the commissioning period. QUOTE The images and data STSCI will release Thursday were gathered during the Webb telescope’s 6-month-long commissioning process, during which scientists and engineers on Earth put the telescope’s four instruments through their paces a million miles away from here. Around the same time, scientists will get their hands on the actual data behind Webb’s striking first full-color images. “Then the scientists can start delving into that, and now producing scientific papers on those early data,” Jet Propulsion Laboratory astronomer Charles Beichman, a member of the instrument team for Webb’s NIRCam instrument, tells Inverse. https://www.inverse.com/science/webb-space-...pe-solar-system So there may be a few more engineering images of planets for people to dig out of the commissioning data, but no final products for a while. QUOTE Later this week, Webb will point its instruments much closer to home, first checking out the asteroid 1998-BC1 and then moving on to a series of observations of Jupiter, starting with the gas giant’s faint rings. “I think we will get that data pretty soon,” University of California, Berkeley astronomer Imke de Pater, the primary investigator of the Jupiter study, tells Inverse. “But then it will take us a long, long time to actually reduce them and get usable products out of it. And that will take longer for planetary observations, I think, because the planets move and rotate, so we have to take all of that into account.” “It won't be instantaneous science," she adds. Edit2: And while I was editing this post, Hungry4info posted below with a link to a press release about the commissioning data, with a few more engineering images of Jupiter. |
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Jul 14 2022, 09:23 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1421 Joined: 26-July 08 Member No.: 4270 |
JWST Commissioning data is now available
https://blogs.nasa.gov/webb/2022/07/14/webb...issioning-data/ -------------------- -- Hungry4info (Sirius_Alpha)
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Jul 15 2022, 03:19 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2998 Joined: 30-October 04 Member No.: 105 |
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Jul 15 2022, 09:53 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 3-February 20 From: Paris (France) Member No.: 8747 |
Hello !
Did the JWST observe a supernova ?.. https://twitter.com/gbrammer/status/1547690...690869704208392 |
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Jul 16 2022, 07:21 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 228 Joined: 14-January 22 Member No.: 9140 |
A supernova, or a red dwarf in the foreground that appears much dimmer in shorter wavelengths? There are about eight objects that appear much brighter in the JWST image than the HST image. And I'm sure it didn't observe eight supernovae.
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Jul 16 2022, 12:04 PM
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Jul 18 2022, 05:06 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 3-February 20 From: Paris (France) Member No.: 8747 |
Bonjour,
Thanks to StargazeinWonder for his comment. Moreover : https://twitter.com/drbecky_/status/1548982...982149231132674 https://www.stsci.edu/jwst/phase2-public/2589.pdf |
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Jul 20 2022, 08:25 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2998 Joined: 30-October 04 Member No.: 105 |
On the "dust illuminating" powers of the IR vision of Webb.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiecartereur...sh=3675e13c79d9 -------------------- |
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Jul 21 2022, 10:04 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 3-February 20 From: Paris (France) Member No.: 8747 |
Bonjour ou bonsoir, au choix
Just weeks into its mission, the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) has broken the record for the oldest galaxy ever observed by nearly 100 million years. https://images.newscientist.com/wp-content/...3.jpg?width=778 GLASS-z13 is the oldest galaxy ever seen. Naidu et al, P. Oesch, T. Treu, GLASS-JWST, NASA/CSA/ESA/STScI Seeing some of the first galaxies to form after the big bang 13.8 billion years ago is one of the key goals of the JWST. When these emerged is currently unknown: the previous oldest identified galaxy, found by the Hubble Space Telescope, is called GN-z11 and dates back to 400 million years after the birth of the universe. … Source : https://www.newscientist.com/article/232960...n-the-universe/ And the following publication : https://arxiv.org/pdf/2207.09434.pdf |
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Jul 26 2022, 05:01 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 3-February 20 From: Paris (France) Member No.: 8747 |
Bonsoir,
I’m afraid of being thrown out of the forum ! I’m taking you so far away from the solar system ! What ?! The JWST would already observe at z 16 !!! https://arxiv.org/abs/2207.12356 |
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Aug 3 2022, 07:50 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 24-September 12 Member No.: 6669 |
New JWST observations of the Cartwheel galaxy Webb Captures Stellar Gymnastics in The Cartwheel Galaxy
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