Nh - The Launch Thread, Godspeed little one |
Nh - The Launch Thread, Godspeed little one |
Jan 18 2006, 02:01 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1887 Joined: 20-November 04 From: Iowa Member No.: 110 |
QUOTE (dilo @ Jan 17 2006, 02:45 PM) Looking to this table, I understand the reson of the delay if we miss Jupiter assist. What is not clear is why there are further huge slippages in February (1 year every 3/4 days of delay!). It seems that a small shift in start position imply an heavy change, peraphs due to a more elongated orbit... am I correct? can someone simulate this? I think the delay is because the amount of gravity assist changes because Jupiter is no longer idealy positioned. I doubt New Horizons would reach Pluto at all without the gravity assist. |
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Jan 18 2006, 03:56 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
QUOTE (odave @ Jan 17 2006, 02:25 PM) I think I just learned that I don't have the temperament to be a launch controller. Those guys just look so calm and cool, and I'm about ready to jump out of my skin. I'm going to join y'all for a beer... That's why they call them (the best of them, anyway) "steely-eyed missile men." But, to tell the truth, after it's all over, they go out and tilt back a few beers, themselves... -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Jan 18 2006, 04:02 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
QUOTE (alan @ Jan 17 2006, 08:01 PM) I think the delay is because the amount of gravity assist changes because Jupiter is no longer idealy positioned. I doubt New Horizons would reach Pluto at all without the gravity assist. Not true. The February 5th launch date is the very last date on which a Jupiter-assist trajectory can be achieved. The dates past Feb. 5 are for direct-to-Pluto trajectories without any gravity assist from Jupiter. Or from any other body, for that matter. That's the reason the arrival dates shift so dramatically after Feb. 5. But it's awfully impressive that the Atlas V can place NH on a solar-system-escape trajectory, intersecting Pluto's orbit, without *any* help from a gravity assist! -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Jan 18 2006, 04:18 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2492 Joined: 15-January 05 From: center Italy Member No.: 150 |
QUOTE (dvandorn @ Jan 18 2006, 04:02 AM) But it's awfully impressive that the Atlas V can place NH on a solar-system-escape trajectory, intersecting Pluto's orbit, without *any* help from a gravity assist! Yes, quite impressive. Ugordan, thanks for your interesting explaination... -------------------- I always think before posting! - Marco -
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Jan 18 2006, 01:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2454 Joined: 8-July 05 From: NGC 5907 Member No.: 430 |
The US of A wasn't the only space-faring nation who couldn't get a space vessel off the ground yesterday...
---------------------------------------------------------------------- *** JAXA MAIL SERVICE *** Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Launch Postponement of the Advanced Land Observing Satellite Daichi (ALOS)/H-IIA Launch Vehicle No. 8 January 18, 2006 Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency The launch of the H-IIA Launch Vehicle No. 8 (H-IIA F8) with the Advanced Land Observing Satellite Daichi (ALOS) onboard has been postponed due to a malfunction found yesterday in a part of the launch vehicle onboard equipment(*1) during the Y-1 operations(*2). We will replace the malfunctioned part with a new one. The launch was originally scheduled on January 19 (Thu), 2006 (Japan Standard Time) from the Tanegashima Space Center. (*1) Telemetry transmitter: the equipment to transmit flight status data to ground stations (*2) Operations one day prior to the launch day (The launch day is over two days for the H-IIA F8; therefore, "one day prior to the launch day" is actually two days before the launch day on a calendar.) The new launch date will be announced as soon as it is determined. * This information is also available on the following website: http://h2a.jaxa.jp/index_e.html This page URL: http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2006/01/20060118_h2a-f8_e.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- Publisher : Public Affairs Department Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) Marunouchi Kitaguchi Building, 1-6-5, Marunouchi, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 100-8260 Japan TEL:+81-3-6266-6400 JAXA WEB SITE : http://www.jaxa.jp/index_e.html -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Jan 18 2006, 03:06 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 147 Joined: 30-June 05 From: Bristol, UK Member No.: 423 |
SCRUB!
Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory suffered a power cut. Try again tomorrow. Nick |
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Jan 18 2006, 03:35 PM
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So what happened now?...did they forget to pay electricity bill?
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Jan 18 2006, 03:36 PM
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Hmmm ... this isnt looking good for NH, how long do they have to launch before they miss the Jupiter flyby?
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Jan 18 2006, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE (Toma B @ Jan 18 2006, 10:35 AM) WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 18, 2006 1459 GMT (9:59 a.m. EST) A management meeting is planned for 4 p.m. EST this afternoon to determine if the New Horizons control center in Maryland will be ready for a launch attempt tomorrow or whether more time is needed. The Atlas launch team is moving forward with a 24-hour scrub turnaround timeline to preserve the option of flying tomorrow. 1459 GMT (9:59 a.m. EST) SCRUB! Today's launch attempt has been called off. The New Horizons mission control center at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory suffered a power outage this morning. The backup system using generators is not sufficient to proceed with the launch. So the first mission to Pluto will remain on Earth for another day. Tomorrow's launch window extends from 1:08 to 3:07 p.m. EST. http://spaceflightnow.com/atlas/av010/status.html -------------------- "After having some business dealings with men, I am occasionally chagrined,
and feel as if I had done some wrong, and it is hard to forget the ugly circumstance. I see that such intercourse long continued would make one thoroughly prosaic, hard, and coarse. But the longest intercourse with Nature, though in her rudest moods, does not thus harden and make coarse. A hard, sensible man whom we liken to a rock is indeed much harder than a rock. From hard, coarse, insensible men with whom I have no sympathy, I go to commune with the rocks, whose hearts are comparatively soft." - Henry David Thoreau, November 15, 1853 |
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Jan 18 2006, 03:59 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 510 Joined: 17-March 05 From: Southeast Michigan Member No.: 209 |
QUOTE (Sunspot @ Jan 18 2006, 10:36 AM) Hmmm ... this isnt looking good for NH, how long do they have to launch before they miss the Jupiter flyby? I think there's still plenty of time for Jupiter. From Alan's post back in December: QUOTE Thus our launch window still spans 35 days, but has at most 33 days for launch attempts, 16 of which result in 2015 arrivals, and 21 of which go via Jupiter. ISTR seeing a more detailed breakdown of the windows somewhere... -------------------- --O'Dave
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Jan 18 2006, 04:04 PM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
They'll get the Jupiter gravity assist if they launch before February 3; they've still got two weeks.
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Jan 18 2006, 04:25 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
QUOTE (Toma B @ Jan 18 2006, 09:35 AM) There is a very large weather front traveling across the eastern United States. In a very unusual weather pattern for mid-January, there are scattered severe thunderstorms battering the U.S. east coast from New England all the way down to the Carolinas and Georgia. Believe me, APL wasn't the only place that lost power as these storms passed through. And I wouldn't guarantee that the weather will improve -- the storms are powered, as storms always are, by the temperature and pressure differential between two colliding air masses. The air pushing these storms eastward along the American continent is frigid, and much of the country has had high temperature swings, from one day to the next, of more than 20 degrees C. -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Jan 18 2006, 04:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
QUOTE (elakdawalla @ Jan 18 2006, 10:04 AM) They'll get the Jupiter gravity assist if they launch before February 3; they've still got two weeks. --Emily Interesting -- I heard Alan Stern say, in the 1/15 press briefing, that the last launch opportunity that allows a Jupiter gravity assist was the February 5th window. They're re-running that press conference on NASA-TV every few hours... maybe someone can check me and tell me if my memory has suddenly developed terminal CRAFT? -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Jan 18 2006, 04:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
Ooops -- it suddenly occurs to me that he might have said that on the Discovery Science Channel special, "Passport to Pluto." I'll have to check that...
The context was that Alan was asked how long we could use Jupiter for a gravity assist. He said that the overall launch window for using Jupiter has been open for about two and a half years, but that it closes -- for good, as far as we're concerned -- on February 5th. He had a look on his face that spoke the unspoken addendum "and we managed to piss away almost the entire window!" -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Jan 18 2006, 04:40 PM
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-------------------- Lyford Rome
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