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Plutos New Moons Part 2, News ...
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post Dec 26 2005, 06:53 PM
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With the nes period findings, the NH mission disign still remains rather uncomplicated with regards to satellite placement during the flyby. Granted the configuration of the satellites does not repeat exactly every ~70 days or so, with the near resonance exhibited, the 2 new sats will still be constrained in their posible positions. (working this out in my head) it seems the sats will be slightly short of their last position every ~70 days. (imagine the whole system lining up slightly earlier every time the objects 'reclock')

For an apparently narrow range of possible arrival dates (assuming a nominal launch, evaluating the arrival dates consistent with Pluto and Charon optimal positions for good views of the new satellites still should not devolve to a plethora of possibilities.
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post Jan 3 2006, 12:44 PM
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New paper:

http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0601018 - The Discovery of Two New Satellites of Pluto


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post Feb 19 2006, 12:29 AM
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Our discovery team is beginning to debate names. Suggestions for P1 and P2 are welcome. Here are
some groundrules: the names must come from Roman mythology and they must have a logical
connection to one another and to either Pluto or Charon (or both).

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post Feb 19 2006, 01:37 AM
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QUOTE (Alan Stern @ Feb 18 2006, 04:29 PM) *
Suggestions for P1 and P2 are welcome.


Cerberus and Orthrus?

The five rivers of the underworld are mentioned in the Aeneid: Acheron, Phlegethon, Styx, Cocytus, and Lethe. Styx and Acheron are traditionally associated with Charon. That leaves you with three more names in case new moons are discovered.


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post Feb 19 2006, 01:42 AM
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Well, to get some discussion going, here are some possibilities and non-possibilities:

Names already taken by asteroids or KBOs:

6239 Minos
38083 Rhadamanthus
1865 Cerberus (darn!!!)
3361 Orpheus
75 Eurydike

Names that don't seem to be taken yet:

Aeacus (unpronounceable)
Styx
Tartarus
Erebus
Hecate
Thanatos

Myself, I like "Thanatos" for one of them. (Thanatos was more or less the Grim Reaper of Greek mythology.) Perhaps Tartarus and Erebus ought to be kept in reserve to be used as names of features on Pluto. Maybe Styx as well, thought it's difficult to imagine that any rivers will be found there.

[Edit: "Orthrus" seems to be open. Too bad about Cerberus being taken -- Cerberus and Orthrus would've been perfect.]
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post Feb 19 2006, 02:00 AM
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QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Feb 18 2006, 05:42 PM) *
Well, to get some discussion going, here are some possibilities and non-possibilities:

Names already taken by asteroids or KBOs:


There's at least one overlaps between moons and asteroids: for example, 593 Titania and the moon of Uranus. Are these grandfathered or something?


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post Feb 19 2006, 02:20 AM
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QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Feb 18 2006, 08:00 PM) *
There's at least one overlaps between moons and asteroids: for example, 593 Titania and the moon of Uranus. Are these grandfathered or something?

Probably... there's also an asteroid called Europa and it's one of the early ones.

There's a Ganymed, too, but that's different because it has a different spelling than Ganymede.

(While hunting through the asteroid list, I was pleased to discover four named after Moe, Larry, Curly and Shemp. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!)
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post Feb 19 2006, 10:22 AM
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Probably "Tityas" would be appropriate, too. He was a Titan-like figure sent as a prisoner to Tartarus, Pluto's realm, as a punishment for having tried to rape Leto, mother of Apollo and Artemis.

"Phlegeton" is considered to be the river that forms the border of Tartarus. It is the "river of fire" and was supposed to burn without consuming fuel. Others describe it as beeing made of boiling blood. So the color red would possibly fit P2.

Rob has already listed the other names that came to my mind, too.

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post Feb 19 2006, 12:29 PM
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Perhaps Tartarus and Erebus ought to be kept in reserve to be used as names of features on Pluto.


Or as potential names for 2003 UB313...
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post Feb 19 2006, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Feb 19 2006, 03:42 AM) *
Aeacus (unpronounceable)
Styx
Tartarus
Erebus
Hecate
Thanatos


These are perfect names for large Kuiper Belt objects.


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post Feb 19 2006, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Feb 18 2006, 09:20 PM) *
There's a Ganymed, too, but that's different because it has a different spelling than Ganymede.

Yes, alternate spellings for kids names is quite trendy these days - note that there are at least 155 ways to spell Caitlin. Why couldn't this work for solar system bodies?

Serberus
Aurfeeus
Mynohs

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Any chance the IAU could be convinced to allow Cerberus and Orpheus to be doubled as well? I mean, technically the asteroids come with a number first...


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post Feb 19 2006, 06:20 PM
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I would be very disappointed if one of the moons isn't named Cerberus, despite the fact an asteroid has the same name (lest we for get 85 Io, 52 Europa, 55 Pandora, 106 Dione, 1810 Epimetheus, and 4450 Pan, just to name a few). I second Orthrus as well, though I other than being a brother of Cerberus, I can't find a connection to Pluto/Hades (my Greek mythology here coming from Wikipedia though).


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post Feb 19 2006, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Feb 19 2006, 01:42 AM) *
Aeacus (unpronounceable)


It's just EE-uh-kuss. Not so bad. Orthrus is more nearly a tongue-twister!
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post Feb 19 2006, 09:28 PM
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Perhaps all trans-Plutonian planets should be called names starting with 'P', and their satellites should all have names starting with 'C'...

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Cerberus had a BROTHER? What happened? Did he flunk Obedience School or something?
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