Wheel Trouble, ...down to 5 good wheels? |
Wheel Trouble, ...down to 5 good wheels? |
Mar 22 2006, 06:13 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2228 Joined: 1-December 04 From: Marble Falls, Texas, USA Member No.: 116 |
There you go, folks. Good work, let's take this lemon of a wheel and make lemonade of it. It's going to be a pain to drag it along, but as several have noted, it will be an interesting running experiment, and as Rodolfo points out, the birds often follow our harvesting machines and earth-movers. We really don't seem to have much of a choice at this point, so let's make the most of it.
It looks as if it will be pretty useful for digging up the buried salt deposits. At first I was thinking the recent white patches were just places where Spirit scraped the soil away from the light-colored rock we have been driving over for several sols, but this turn really looks like the previous occurances of the fluffy sulfates. -------------------- ...Tom
I'm not a Space Fan, I'm a Space Exploration Enthusiast. |
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Mar 22 2006, 05:43 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 311 Joined: 31-August 05 From: Florida & Texas, USA Member No.: 482 |
There you go, folks. Good work, let's take this lemon of a wheel and make lemonade of it. It's going to be a pain to drag it along, but as several have noted, it will be an interesting running experiment, and as Rodolfo points out, the birds often follow our harvesting machines and earth-movers. We really don't seem to have much of a choice at this point, so let's make the most of it. Cosmic Rocker must be in software design: A stuck wheel is a "feature", no extra charge. So what is the name for this useful tool? The Trenchifacator? The Aeolian Deposit Destratifier? I wonder if we may also get luck in turning over many more pebbles and rocks to maybe see less weathered surfaces? Another benefit will be the tracks will be much easier viewed from orbit: so over the years as they fade might give some useful clues to dust-movement rates across mars? |
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Mar 22 2006, 07:12 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 12-February 05 From: Utah Member No.: 167 |
The "Trenchifacator"...I like that. The rovers' tracks and trenches have to be great for Mars soil science. I'd like to see a route map to where Spirit needs to go to stay safe and have a daily progress chart.
I'm not nearly skilled or knowledgeable enough to put together the route maps that other posters have put up (I'm just a very interested layman who wanted to get into space science past college but couldn't hack calculus). But I could try....I have MMB and Paint Shop Pro and some basic knowledge. Edit: D'OH! I missed the pinned Spirit route map. I'm checking it out now. -------------------- - My signature idea machine is busted right now.
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Mar 22 2006, 07:32 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14432 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
THE TRENCHINATOR - look for the new Q'n'A ( that's a full half hour long ) - we talk about trenchinating
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Mar 22 2006, 10:42 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 221 Joined: 25-March 05 Member No.: 217 |
Faulty wheel? it's a pre-breaking devise for safety. Eat your heart out Volvo.
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Mar 23 2006, 12:00 AM
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Mar 23 2006, 12:12 AM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14432 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
No it's not - Odyssey safe moded yesterday - expect a few days of blackout.
Can't complain, she's a damn good messenger - last blackout was back before purgatory Doug |
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Mar 23 2006, 02:09 AM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3431 Joined: 11-August 04 From: USA Member No.: 98 |
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Mar 23 2006, 11:30 AM
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Weren't they using Odyssey to uplink commands to Spirit because of a communicatinos conflict with MRO? How are they going to handle communicating sith Spirit whle Odyssey is in safe mode?
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Mar 23 2006, 11:43 AM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14432 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
The rovers will look after themselves for days on end - but I'm sure they'll be able to do some sort of uplink if needs be.
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Mar 23 2006, 11:52 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2998 Joined: 30-October 04 Member No.: 105 |
This could be percolation of salt-heavy groundwater, with evaporation at the surface leaving the salts, and then overcover of dust/sand. Does anyone really understand the effects of evaporation through soils (from deep within the soil) in a low-pressure environment over millions of years? I wonder if the white salt beds and the odd formations (popcorn, like cave-popcorn, and blueberries, etc.) could be explained simply due to slow molecular water movement from within the the regolith and rock out to the atmosphere. The presence of underground water, even when frozen, with a thin atmosphere on the outside, sets up a strong molecule-by-molecule pumping gradient. It could fizz out into all kinds of formations similar to what are found in caves on earth. Scott There are a lot of things we don't/can't understand because of the time frames and environments involved. Two years ago I started an oddball experiment creating my own Burns Formation. I got sandstone with the nastiest framboidal pyrite and let it oxidize to make a quantity of iron-plus_other_metals sulfates. Added this brew to a saturated solution of magnesium sulfate. Let it evaporate to dryness and continue to "dehydrate" over time. The slow "dehydration" from the "hydrated" mass of salt crystals has been interesting watching the 'fairy castle' structures grow. Looks rather like the "popcorn" masses we've seen lately. Image attached. I may redissolve the whole mass/mess and add a quantity of fine silica sand (as a matrix), no clays allowed. --Bill -------------------- |
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Mar 23 2006, 02:26 PM
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Two years ago I started an oddball experiment creating my own Burns Formation. I got sandstone with the nastiest framboidal pyrite and let it oxidize to make a quantity of iron-plus_other_metals sulfates. Added this brew to a saturated solution of magnesium sulfate. Let it evaporate to dryness and continue to "dehydrate" over time. The slow "dehydration" from the "hydrated" mass of salt crystals has been interesting watching the 'fairy castle' structures grow. Looks rather like the "popcorn" masses we've seen lately. Image attached. Clearly biogenic. Oh, sorry - wrong Martian blog. Andy |
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Mar 23 2006, 05:07 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 320 Joined: 19-June 04 Member No.: 85 |
Wow, Bill, that's really cool. Yes, it definitely looks like the strawberry textured nodules. Please keep the experiment going. I wonder what would take to get actual concretions to form?
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Mar 23 2006, 07:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2998 Joined: 30-October 04 Member No.: 105 |
After the water evaporated from the brew and it became a block of sulfate crystals, I left it for several months in a sunny window sill with a loose-fitting cover to keep dust and other "aeolian" deposition out. The textured features seen here are light, fluffy microcrystalline structures thaty have grown from the saturated sulfate salt mass. The thickness is between 5 and 35mm. I really should have been photographing their development all along, they were a suprise to me. I have noted that these sulfate salts have been pulling moisture from the air for their reaction. I expected this-- the pyritic sandstones react in containers in my lab/office using only humidity from the air. This may be an odd element of the Martian hydrologic cycle (as noted in the current Geology, and as noted here).
Instead of redissolving this mass and starting over I'll let it continue and do another vat with fresh sulfates and fine silica sand. I have lots of framboidal pyrite wanting to react to make the iron sulfate brew. I may try "seeding" the saturated sand mass with hematite, pyrite, etc. --Bill -------------------- |
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Mar 23 2006, 07:19 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 242 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Ohio, USA Member No.: 34 |
.... I'll let it continue and do another vat with fresh sulfates and fine silica sand. I have lots of framboidal pyrite wanting to react to make the iron sulfate brew. --Bill Bill, Perhaps you could grind up some basalt and use it instead of a silica (quartz?) sand. Or would that be adding too much iron to the mixture? |
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