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Tman View Member Profile	Sep 21 2006, 10:41 AM Post #16
Member Group: Members Posts: 877 Joined: 7-March 05 From: Switzerland Member No.: 186	Would fit very well this real Duck Bay, but I don't have a clue. Btw. Ustrax great job on the naming! Anno 2006 the Initiator of Victoria's rim naming was a member of... (aka Ustrax) -------------------- Peter MER filename decoding into local true solar time - MSL clock and filename decoding

ustrax View Member Profile	Sep 21 2006, 11:33 AM Post #17
Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra \| Portugal Member No.: 228	I thought that Duck Bay occupied a wider area but now I don't think so...And that I knew the location of Cabo Verde and Cabo Frio but now...I'm all messed up... So here I am asking for some dust devil to clean up my ideas...Is this correct?...: http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b14/ustrax3/DuckBay.jpg To me it looks like there are some features matching there...And the ones in the horizon...Later ustrax...later... -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!" Edgar Alan Poe

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Sep 21 2006, 11:59 AM

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Ustrax,

Here's my take on what we're seeing. I've added some blue lines to illustrate. The two blue lines on the left seem to correlate well, but I'm less certain about the eastern lines.

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Sep 21 2006, 12:18 PM

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Well I disagree with both of you!

Here is my understanding of the situation.

The headings correlate well and make sense with what we see on the far rim.
I've also included my understanding of what the JPL names refer to.

James

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Aberdeenastro View Member Profile	Sep 21 2006, 12:24 PM Post #20
Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 24-May 06 From: Aberdeen, Scotland Member No.: 785	James, I think you're right. You can clearly see the annulus extending further away from us where Ustrax has marked Duck Bay. Castor

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Sep 21 2006, 12:35 PM

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Is this the duck?

(crop of Castor's image)

...since it's late September, I've now got this image of Oppy in camo crouching in the reeds with her Mossberg (uh, make that Mossbauer) and trusty labrador retriever next to her

[edit: switch to jpg and extend hunting metaphor]

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ustrax View Member Profile	Sep 21 2006, 12:37 PM Post #22
Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra \| Portugal Member No.: 228	James, what you're saying is that none of the high peaks showing up in my stretched image are one of the referred promontories?...So...Where are they?... -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!" Edgar Alan Poe

ustrax View Member Profile	Sep 21 2006, 12:41 PM Post #23
Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra \| Portugal Member No.: 228	QUOTE (odave @ Sep 21 2006, 01:35 PM) Is this the duck? That is very cool! -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!" Edgar Alan Poe

babakm View Member Profile	Sep 21 2006, 12:56 PM Post #24
Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 91 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Arlington, Virginia Member No.: 159	QUOTE (ustrax @ Sep 21 2006, 10:07 AM) Did anyone find a relation between Duck Bay and Magellan's voyage?...I didn't...There is one (Baía dos Patos) in Santa Catarina (Brazil) but I don't know if the expedition passed there... Having just read a book on Magellan's circumnavigation (or rather his fleet's circumnavigation), I believe they are referring to Bahia de los Patos in Argentina (he named it in Portuguese) somewhere around 48 degrees South. The "ducks" actually turned out to be Penguins. Fascinating book BTW.

ustrax View Member Profile	Sep 21 2006, 01:13 PM Post #25
Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra \| Portugal Member No.: 228	QUOTE (babakm @ Sep 21 2006, 01:56 PM) Having just read a book on Magellan's circumnavigation (or rather his fleet's circumnavigation), I believe they are referring to Bahia de los Patos in Argentina (he named it in Portuguese) somewhere around 48 degrees South. The "ducks" actually turned out to be Penguins. Fascinating book BTW. Thanks for that babakm! That's it!: "After two weeks the ships had reached Cape St Mary where Magellan is reputed to have said of the large hill behind the Cape "I see a mountain" ("Montem Video") thereby naming the place where Uruguay's capital city now stands. They explored the estuary of the River plate, ruling out any possible channel and then continued South with the weather growing increasingly colder, the terrain bleaker and the seas rougher before stopping briefly at Bahia de los Patos (literally Ducks' Bay) named after the abundant penguins found there. The penguins along with sea lions provided the necessary fresh food suplies and after sheltering from tremendous storms they continued southwards." I was looking for a connection in Argentina, because of Patagonia... In Portuguese is Baía dos Patos and I couldn't found anything... -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!" Edgar Alan Poe

Tman View Member Profile	Sep 21 2006, 01:14 PM Post #26
Member Group: Members Posts: 877 Joined: 7-March 05 From: Switzerland Member No.: 186	Guess both could be right. But if they named it in the tradition of Victoria's circumnavigation, it should be called Patos Bay or so. -------------------- Peter MER filename decoding into local true solar time - MSL clock and filename decoding

sattrackpro View Member Profile	Sep 21 2006, 01:44 PM Post #27
Member Group: Members Posts: 136 Joined: 13-October 05 From: Malibu, CA Member No.: 527	QUOTE (ustrax @ Sep 21 2006, 06:13 AM) Thanks for that babakm! That's it!: I was looking for a connection in Argentina, because of Patagonia... In Portuguese is Baía dos Patos and I couldn't found anything... The name (bahia - pronounced ba-'i-a, h not pronounced, stress on second syllable) is an archaic spelling of the Portuguese word meaning "bay" and comes from "a baía de Todos os Santos" (All Saints' Bay...) (Bahia is a state of Brazil...) Don't know if it's relevant, but it seems the name Duck's Bay couldn't be any clearer with Odave's drawing of the duck!

ustrax View Member Profile	Sep 21 2006, 02:06 PM Post #28
Special Cookie Group: Members Posts: 2168 Joined: 6-April 05 From: Sintra \| Portugal Member No.: 228	QUOTE (sattrackpro @ Sep 21 2006, 02:44 PM) The name (bahia - pronounced ba-'i-a, h not pronounced, stress on second syllable) is an archaic spelling of the Portuguese word meaning "bay" and comes from "a baía de Todos os Santos" (All Saints' Bay...) (Bahia is a state of Brazil...) Yes Bahia is archaic Portuguese but in this context (Bahia de los Patos) is modern Spanish. In my map I'll use the names as they are pronounced locally, Duck Bay = Bahia de los Patos, Cape Verde = Cabo Verde, and so on...: http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b14/ustr...ictoriamap3.jpg -------------------- "Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied, "If you seek for Eldorado!" Edgar Alan Poe

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QUOTE (ustrax @ Sep 21 2006, 03:13 PM)

"After two weeks the ships had reached Cape St Mary where Magellan is reputed to have said of the large hill behind the Cape "I see a mountain" ("Montem Video") thereby naming the place where Uruguay's capital city now stands. They explored the estuary of the River plate, ruling out any possible channel and then continued South with the weather growing increasingly colder, the terrain bleaker and the seas rougher before stopping briefly at Bahia de los Patos (literally Ducks' Bay) named after the abundant penguins found there. The penguins along with sea lions provided the necessary fresh food suplies and after sheltering from tremendous storms they continued southwards."
I was looking for a connection in Argentina, because of Patagonia...
In Portuguese is Baía dos Patos and I couldn't found anything...

I know a place that could fit the description!
If you go (much) south from Buenos Aires, you'll get to "Peninsula Valdes". There, you'll find sea Lions as well as "Pinguinos de Magallanes "(not sure how to write this but this means Magellan) where there's a collony of about one Million Pinguins. It clearly looks like a bay on the South side and that's also a breeding place for a type of Whale in the month of june only. Ocean is quite calm there. This correspond to the description. I've been there back in 1988 but my slides are not digitalised

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Well, it could be the place.
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Sep 21 2006, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Sep 21 2006, 02:18 PM)

Well I disagree with both of you!

Here is my understanding of the situation.

The headings correlate well and make sense with what we see on the far rim.
I've also included my understanding of what the JPL names refer to.

James

I agree 75% with you.

My discrepancy is with the left feature which I would locate just right of your proposal.

About Cabo Verde (and I'm using the portuguese wording too

) I previously thought it would be the whole ridge to the left of Duck Bay including the beacon but, given this classification of Bays and Capes, now I believe it should actually be the first, hmmm ..., cape to the left of Duck Bay.

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