I agree with all your points I'm not suggesting an "alternative" map of martian place names, not going to complicate things, I'm just asking a general question... just looking for a little insight into UMSFers interests, that's all.

This is my very first post in any MER related forum. My best work is in the icy moons of Saturn.
But I will suggest a naming convention for the Victoria features. How about naming them after the people who died on 9/11? US technology being used on Mars honoring US citizens who died on that day!

OK Stu got the point!
It's hard not to say :
Mer's related people ; Astronomes or astronomy related names basicaly lot of topics looking kind of "evident" for us here.
So, I'd pick "Actual or ancient Ethnics minorities of the world" (I've myself a lot to learn on the subject)

Marco, James

beautiful map and labeling scheme. My personnal sweet spot is for K1. Ken's Koves: Boating in Victoria.

It looks to be overlooking one of the best spots to launch boat tours and scientific expeditions with a stirring view of both Victoria and Sofi.

ken

Welcome to the MER corner, angel1801. I think everyone here understands why you would suggest the names of those unfortunate souls, but with almost 3000 of them to memorialize it will be difficult to choose which names to use for features we identify here. I think about those people almost every day as I evaluate conditions on this planet. I keep hoping that the the people who can give more official names to things will find a way to remember them in this mission. This might seem too graphic to some, but that field of dust ripples we expect to see at the bottom of this crater somehow seems morbidly appropriate for such a memorial.

I originally came to this thread to post a suggestion, but it seemed irreverent to tack my suggestion onto my previous post. As I was trying to identify a feature on the opposite rim, it became apparent that it would be easier to do so if James' labelled map was oriented like the route map, with north on the top. I guess an alternative would be to add the labels to the route map, but that could become cluttered in the future. ...just a thought.

As for suggesting alternative names, for the time being, I'm comfortable with calling E1, E1.

I think ethnic groups get enough places for them at the moment.

ie Titan, Rhea, Ariel, Triton, Io, etc

There are lots of un-named craters on Rhea that need names right now. On this moon, creation myths and places of the worlds ethnic groups are used.

On Titan, we have names that use two different ethnic groups in one feature name.

Triton has sea and aquatic gods and places from all the world's cultures.

Ariel has spirits from the world's cultures.

And Io has multi-cultural names for fire gods.

Doug, I'm thinking that it would a good to have James' two charts in post #26 of this thread pinned in the Opportunity forum topic menu for quick reference.

In fact, as I think about it, what if there were a thread that is 'read only' to everyone but the administrator, (Doug) that had nothing but basic satellite views and maps?

Many times, I find myself searching for a map or satellite view that I remember seeing but can't find. It would be nice to be able to have one thread with just the maps etc. and no comments. The comments could be in the regular threads....kind of a reference library of maps.

Your right, it would be better if north was at the top - I'll sort it when I get a chance. I wouldn't add all the labels to the route map just those that we start talking about a lot.

To help you all with your ID's of the far rim, here is JPL's pancam mosaic alongside my labeled straightened rim.



As were not sitting at the centre of Victoria, a few features don't quite line up, but it's pretty close.

James

Just a quick note to say thanks for the excellent work you've done on these images james; I know it's helped me make a lot more sense out of Victoria. As the crater opens up before our eyes your labelled panoramas are going to be invaluable for us all. Cheers!

Thanks Stu, if you liked that, you'll love this.

I've been playing around (as you do on a non driving sol! ) and I've managed to distort the MOC image in such a way as to fit to the viewing angles from Duck Bay. i.e The line of sight from Duck Bay to any feature is vertically up in the distorted MOC image, it's not perfect but pretty close.

So here is another version of the pancam/MOC comparison and it's a much better fit to what we see.



James

Very nice...

Don't know about anyone else, but I'm ready to get out and give Oppy a push at this point. If you look at the top half of James' latest creation you can see that just below our current line of sight are some very intriguing features... hints of gullies, rock falls, more ledges and structure... and STILL Sofi crater is fascinating me, no-one has yet answered my asked-donkeys'-years-ago question of when it was created, pre- or post-VC impact... any ideas..?

Couple of items of interest...

I asked this some time ago, but no-obne replied, so I am still wondering if this used to be a Sofi-type impact crater...



... because every other bay has a rim roughly level with the crater's edge, while this one seems to my untrained eyes (correct me if I'm wrong... I'm sure someone will!) to be raised up above that level. Is this a Sofi-type crater that has been eroded away by the wasting process shaping the crater's rim?

And is this really a gully...?

James, that last Duck Bay view is superb - thanks!

Stu, this complete non-geologist can't believe that Sofi could have survived Victoria impact, got covered in Victoria ejecta, and eventually eroded clean to reveal such a superbly defined crater bowl. I vote for post-VC, and probably very-post.

To me that F1 bay doesn't appear to have a raised rim. That's just how a long bay appears when foreshortened.

Actually, the "H" has two names. The top branch is named Fensal, and the bottom branch, plus the dark region surrounding Elba Facula, is named Aztlan. Since we have considered the "H" as one feature for so long, the imaging team often hyphenates the name when both branches are in view ("Fensal-Aztlan"). It isn't the official name of the feature, however.

Thanks James that latest Duck Bay with labels is great and very helpful
Roy F