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Juno development, launch, and cruise, Including Earth flyby imaging Oct 9 2013
Bjorn Jonsson
post Nov 10 2006, 03:26 PM
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An obvious problem is that Jupiter's poles never get much sunlight due to Jupiter's low axial tilt (~3°). Compare this to Saturn's ~27°. Obviously the poles are not in darkness but they are more difficult to image and you cannot image a big around around the pole in a single image (or over a period of several minutes). Vertical relief is also less pronounced on Jupiter since the atmosphere is more 'compressed' than Saturn's.
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post Nov 10 2006, 04:04 PM
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I would imagine that IR-band imaging would be an inflexible requirement, then.


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post Dec 26 2006, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE (NMRguy @ Nov 10 2006, 03:28 AM) *
Does anyone know JunoCam’s pointing direction and whether it will be able to ride along with any of the other instruments?


Last I'd heard, it'll be pointing perpendicular to the spin axis, much like most other instruments.

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The Juno team reports that primary science measurements are taken at ± 3 hours from perijove for all science orbits.


Strictly speaking, *between* +/-3 hours from perijove.

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Since the closest passes over Jupiter’s polar regions are included in the primary science windows, will the team allow JunoCam to image the poles during the mission, or is this something they will focus on late in the game?


My understanding is that since JunoCam is riding along for EPO (education & public outreach), it won't be particularly radiation "hard." I don't think anybody's expecting it to last past the first dozen orbits or so.

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Can we expect similarly informative and stunning Jupiter polar images from Juno as we will get from Cassini?


Sure hope so...

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post Jan 10 2007, 12:34 AM
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I dug out an article from June of 2005.

New robotic probe planned for Jupiter.
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post Mar 12 2007, 11:05 AM
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A new article for Juno:
Juno Gets A Little Bigger With One More Payload For Jovian Delivery - http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Juno_Get...livery_999.html

I'm wondering with some questions, could anybody help me out?
- This will be the farthest solar-powered s/c ever ventured outside Mars's orbit, isn't it? I'm not sure if Rosetta crosses Jupiter's orbit or not?
- How big the solar panels will be to give adequate power output from Jupiter for the 8-proposed instruments?
- This is from the article: "This will let it "thread the needle" through Jupiter's most intense doughnut-shaped radiation belts" - what does it mean? Are there some areas in Jupiter's radiation belts where the radiation level is lower than others?
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post Mar 12 2007, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE (Thu @ Mar 12 2007, 04:05 AM) *
I'm wondering with some questions, could anybody help me out?
- This will be the farthest solar-powered s/c ever ventured outside Mars's orbit, isn't it? I'm not sure if Rosetta's orbit reaches Jupiter or not?


Rosetta will go out to 5.2 AU from the Sun, which is about at Jupiter's orbit. The difference, though, is that (if I'm not mistaken) Rosetta will just spend some time there on it's way to a comet, while Juno will actually be conducting science at 5.2 AU.

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- How big the solar panels will be to give adequate power output from Jupiter for the 8-proposed instruments?


Huge.

You might want to check this site out (it's Juno's public outreach web site).

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- This is from the article: "This will let it "thread the needle" through Jupiter's most intense doughnut-shaped radiation belts" - what does it mean? Are there some areas in Jupiter's radiation belts where the radiation level is lower than others?


The idea is that by being in a polar orbit, the spacecraft can skim below the radiation belts on one side of Jupiter, and above them on the other side. Well, most of them, anyway. The Juno site has a good diagram here.

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post Mar 12 2007, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE (Thu @ Mar 12 2007, 11:05 AM) *
- How big the solar panels will be to give adequate power output from Jupiter for the 8-proposed instruments?

This site suggests three panels of ~2m by 9m. Assuming 50 square metres of panels operating at ~20% efficiency and at 5.2 AU, the power available is going to be around 500W - about the same as from Galileo's 2 RTGs.

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post Mar 12 2007, 12:20 PM
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20% efficiency is conservative, the state of the art is now ~41%. The panels on the MER's were around 23% so I'd assume that the best space rated arrays are substantially better than that now.
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post Mar 12 2007, 12:24 PM
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Thanks Lorne Ipsum, that really helps smile.gif
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post Mar 12 2007, 12:56 PM
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There's also the issue of how much of that 3 x 9 x 2 m area is actually filled with arrays. Technically a 54m^2 area, but what's the packing density of the arrays going to be like - how much will be taken up with hinges etc... 8% is probably a fairly good guess, making it 50m^2 - and that's where the 500W comes from smile.gif

What I want to know is what the downlink will be like smile.gif

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post Mar 12 2007, 02:09 PM
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Talking of solar power, I remembered that Deep Space 1 used the innovative solar concentrator arrays for its mission but not sure about the improvement over conventional solar panels. Anybody knows the result of the test? Has this new technology been applied to other spacecrafts?
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QUOTE (djellison @ Mar 12 2007, 08:56 AM) *
What I want to know is what the downlink will be like smile.gif

The lack of photographic images will make it easy to meet the
needs of the other instruments, won't it? Also, aren't scientific
observations limited to a small part of the orbit? There should
be no trouble getting down all the data that Juno can produce.
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QUOTE (helvick @ Mar 12 2007, 04:20 AM) *
20% efficiency is conservative, the state of the art is now ~41%. The panels on the MER's were around 23% so I'd assume that the best space rated arrays are substantially better than that now.


Does anyone know what the current space rated solar panels are at? The Boeing press release is a laboratory result for Earth surface applications. Does rating panels for space result in higher or lower efficiency?
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post Mar 13 2007, 08:44 AM
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Bruce Moomaw has a couple articles worth checking out:

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Juno_Get...livery_999.html

Basically, the italians proposed a second meteorology cam for Juno, together with an infrared cam/spectrometer, and a Ka-band transponder to improve radio tracking.

The meteorology cam was rejected as too similar to JunoCam, but the IR instrument's provisionally accepted, as is the transponder. If the IR instrument does fly, it patches what to me has seemed a major hole in the mission's instrumentation: The ability to see and measure with good resolution cloud structures and the "hot spots" of downwelling (like the one the Galileo probe fell into) that are water and ammonia depleted relative to the deep atmospheric average. This gives the linkage between visible cloud patterns/meteorology, deeper cloud structure, and the to-be-microwave-mapped sub-cloud atmosphere distribution of water and ammonia.

GO FOR IT!

also, on lunar robotic exploration and budget/political/patronage chicanery:
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/NASA_B...ferred_999.html
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post Mar 13 2007, 10:57 AM
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This Boeing\Spectrolab marketing page indicates that 28.3% is the current state of the art for space rated cells with 33% expected by 2009.

To put the 40.7% number in perspective 34% was the R&D state of the art in 2000 so it appears to take around a decade to go from state of the art to sufficiently mature to become available in a space rated array.

The optical concentrator approach has a major drawback as it requires much more accurate sun pointing. I suspect that that would rule the approach out for any craft in a reasonably tight orbit of a planet but that's just a hunch.
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