New Horizons Jupiter Encounter |
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May 22 2007, 09:15 PM
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SewingMachine Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 27-September 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 510 |
-------------------- ...if you don't like my melody, i'll sing it in a major key, i'll sing it very happily. heavens! everybody's all aboard? let's take it back to that minor chord...
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May 22 2007, 09:21 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3648 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
Exploitcorporations, you cheater!
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May 22 2007, 10:50 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 699 Joined: 3-December 04 From: Boulder, Colorado, USA Member No.: 117 |
Great job on the Io/Europa conjunction, EC!
John. |
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May 23 2007, 08:59 AM
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Rover Driver Group: Members Posts: 1015 Joined: 4-March 04 Member No.: 47 |
EC, that's one of the coolest space images I've ever seen! It's amazing what a bit of color can add.
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May 24 2007, 07:45 AM
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SewingMachine Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 27-September 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 510 |
Emily's blog post is a marvelous alternate of the same concept, as is VP's in the NH at Io thread. I'm curious as to whether the colors in the MVIC product are too bold or on the mark (note the greenish tint of Io's nightside and the bright yellow of Europa in the official release)...I tend to go with muted in my color experiments as of late. John or VP, do you have any insights as to what the human eye would see in this scene?
-------------------- ...if you don't like my melody, i'll sing it in a major key, i'll sing it very happily. heavens! everybody's all aboard? let's take it back to that minor chord...
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May 24 2007, 08:48 AM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3232 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
I tend to prefer not to mess with the colors if I can, even if it makes the colors not appear as it would to human eye...
The greenish hue is the result of using a filter centered in a methane band for red. Jupiter absorbs much of the sunlight that hits at this wavelength (889 nm iirc), so very is reflected so that it can then be reflected off Io's surface and strike the camera. -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
The Gish Bar Times - A Blog all about Jupiter's Moon Io |
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May 24 2007, 08:50 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3648 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
Well, an excerpt from PIA09256 says this about color filters used in the MVIC image:
QUOTE The color in this image was generated using individual MVIC images at wavelengths of 480, 620 and 850 nanometers. The human eye is sensitive to slightly shorter wavelengths, from 400 to 700 nanometers, and thus would see the scene slightly differently. For instance, while the eye would notice the difference between the yellow and reddish brown colors of Io's surface and the paler color of Europa, the two worlds appear very similar in color to MVIC's longer-wavelength vision. The night side of Io appears greenish compared to the day side, because methane in Jupiter's atmosphere absorbs 850-nanometer light and makes Jupiter-light green to MVIC's "eyes." The colors are stretched and this has 2 important consequences: Europa and Io have a comparatively similar color and Io's nightside is greenish because the "red" in the composite is actually MVIC's narrowband methane absorption filter so Jupitershine is much weaker in that channel, leaving only the green channel prominent. In blue light Io's spectrum drops off rapidly, leading to its (un)usual color.This release shows what the nightside of Io would probably look like in natural color. While Io's sunlit crescent would still look yellow-greenish, I'd imagine Europa would look a much duller shade of grey. Tvashtar's plume would probably also be a bit less saturated shade of blue than PIA09256 shows. Something like the blue-gray color of smoke particles here on Earth. It would still contrast strongly with the color of the moon, however. -------------------- |
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May 25 2007, 04:54 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 699 Joined: 3-December 04 From: Boulder, Colorado, USA Member No.: 117 |
Note that the colors aren't "stretched" (i.e. we haven't increased the saturation), but as has been said, they aren't natural either because the wavelengths differ from the human eye's sensitivity. And in all cases the color balance results not from precise calibration, but from me tweaking the relative brightness of each channel till the color conforms to my mental picture of what Io should look like, based on previous more exactly calibrated images from Galileo. Definitely more art than science...
John. |
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May 30 2007, 05:12 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 153 Joined: 14-August 06 Member No.: 1041 |
... I've blogged the conference, but didn't mention one thing I found annoying -- a graphic showing New Horizons' speed through the encounter, which used only Imperial units. Of course American missions have to use Imperial units when they address the public, but it's irksome when they don't also include metric. I redrew the graphic with metric units, but didn't wind up using it for the blog, so I'll post it here. According to Emily's chart (posted on this thread January 18, 2007), the NH Jupiter gravity boost was expected to add ~5,200"MPH" to NH's net helocentric velocity. According to Alan Stern in the Planetary Society webcast, the Jupiter encounter netted a 9,000"MPH" boost. Alan did not specify the vector (Emily's is helocentric). The current location on the NH website are consistent with a ~ 5,000 "MPH" gravity boost. My eyeball says the vector only shifted ~15% so I am wondering: Are the numbers the same? |
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May 30 2007, 05:41 PM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
John: What's the schedule for the release of the Jupiter encounter data to the PDS? Is there one?
--Emily -------------------- My website - My Patreon - @elakdawalla on Twitter - Please support unmannedspaceflight.com by donating here.
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May 30 2007, 05:56 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3232 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
who says it hasn't already been released...
-------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
The Gish Bar Times - A Blog all about Jupiter's Moon Io |
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May 30 2007, 05:58 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3232 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
Okay, I won't be evil:
http://pdssbn.astro.umd.edu/missions/newhorizons/index.html Wow, these are big files... -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
The Gish Bar Times - A Blog all about Jupiter's Moon Io |
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May 30 2007, 06:06 PM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
Holy cow!! That was fast!!! I'll have to see if I can get Wget to work on this...maybe I can pump this data out in a way that the rest of you guys can access it...it'll take me a few days, most likely, but I'm emptying some space on my hard drive to start now...
Whee! How I wish there were going to be more goodies that New Horizons would be flying by on the way to Pluto...I wish all missions could be run like this! --Emily -------------------- My website - My Patreon - @elakdawalla on Twitter - Please support unmannedspaceflight.com by donating here.
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May 30 2007, 06:09 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3232 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
We definitely need a "We love John, Alan, Jeff, Hal, and all the other New Horizons folks Day" here
-------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
The Gish Bar Times - A Blog all about Jupiter's Moon Io |
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May 30 2007, 06:26 PM
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Lord Of The Uranian Rings Group: Members Posts: 798 Joined: 18-July 05 From: Plymouth, UK Member No.: 437 |
I think a "thank you" poster, signed by the collective members of UMSF, would be a great gift for the New Horizons team. It could be decorated with some of the images from the Jupiter encounter, such as Exploitcorporation's great colour composite of Io and Europa.
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