The Storm, Dust storm of 2007 |
The Storm, Dust storm of 2007 |
Jul 18 2007, 10:10 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14432 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
But - iirc - that heater only comes on if it's cold.
I was thinking that actually the situation might arise when it's better to leave the battery cut off because even at noon, the array output wouldn't be high enough to power the heater - BUT - citing Encyclopedia Roveranica (Roving Mars ) - "It kicked in half an hour before midnight Mars time, and it didn't go away until about 1000 the next morning. And whatever was responsible, it sucked more than 170 watt-hours of energy out of the batteries overnight" Given that it's summer, and warm because of the dust - the arm heater might not kick in at all. I don't know the specifics of the PCB, but is it intelligent enough to be preprogrammed for an expected wake up array voltage of X volts (when X is a lower number right now ) - which could be estimated to be 11am - then the master sequence for the day is sleep all day, wake up for the earliest Odyssey pass at which point you both uplink for the next day and downlink for that day, and then enter deep sleep till 19 hours later. Doug |
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Jul 18 2007, 10:19 PM
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Dublin Correspondent Group: Admin Posts: 1799 Joined: 28-March 05 From: Celbridge, Ireland Member No.: 220 |
QUOTE Well unless the array power was less than the minimum 'do nothing loads', particuarly with the sholder heater, in which case the battery is not going to charge anyway. The issue is: do you want to conserve power in the battery or do you use every drop trying to stay alive.. This is close to happening. IIRC the stuck heater draws 15 watts unless she is in Deep Sleep mode. With Tau between 5.2 and 5.5 she's would generate ~ 120-150 Watt hours over the entire 12 hours of sunlight with a peak output around 18-22 watts. That doesn't leave much to go around for basic housekeeping, let alone to top off the batteries, take images and phone home. Edited to add: Just noticed Doug's comment re the heater. Doh!, I'd forgotten that and it is quite likely that the temperature is high enough around the middle of the day to keep it off so that's a relief. Also with reference to James Canvins comment regarding the wakeup current - I thought that wake up current was 2.0 amps which would keep it asleep until quite late in the day. I don't know what the panel output voltage range is but assuming it is only 10v then it would only just rise above 2A at the moment. |
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Jul 18 2007, 10:41 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 646 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Forest of Dean Member No.: 617 |
...the Great Ghoul of Mars, that has claimed so many other probes, finally turns its gaze on little Oppy and stops her in her tracks... HELLO, UMSF.COM. LONG TIME LURKER, FIRST TIME POSTER... With apologies to Terry Pratchett. -------------------- --
Viva software libre! |
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Jul 19 2007, 01:42 AM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
I'm doing some research to write about the storm and just thought I'd share some now-comical quotes from one of A. J. S. Rayl's rover updates from January 31 this year, regarding tau values measured by Spirit:
QUOTE When the tau levels rise to 1, it limits the activities the rovers can perform and values of 2 or greater can be fatal. During most of Spirit's mission on Mars, tau values have ranged anywhere between 0 and 1. Not surprisingly then, there was real concern over the holiday weekend about whether or not Spirit was going to make it to its anniversary when the tau suddenly rose to .9 and then tipped to 1 at the end of December, and the rover's power levels began dropping....On Sol 1066 (New Year's Day 2007), the tau rose to 1.136 causing the rover's solar array energy to drop to a low 276 watt-hours, a level it had experienced briefly before in the depths of winter at Low Ridge....Once the engineers at JPL reanalyzed Spirit's power situation, they realized the rover could survive on less power now that spring was moving in. "For this time of year -- when temperatures are getting warmer and it's not getting super cold at night -- the amount of power that Spirit needs for survival is considerably less than it was in the wintertime. What the rover needs to survive in winter is something between 200 and 250 watt-hours, whereas now we can survive on something less than 200 watt-hours, so even with relatively low power numbers we're able to safely operate the vehicle and get lots done," Squyres explained. How naive we were...I'm thinking of you, Opportunity, hunkered down under storm-darkened skies... --Emily -------------------- My website - My Patreon - @elakdawalla on Twitter - Please support unmannedspaceflight.com by donating here.
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Jul 19 2007, 01:44 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 213 Joined: 21-January 07 From: Wigan, England Member No.: 1638 |
There are so many questions I could ask here - eg, if the batteries are receiving little or no charge from the arrays, but are fully charged to begin with, how long will they retain their charge? The self-discharge rate for the batteries is <5% per month - not something the MER team should be concerned about. |
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Jul 19 2007, 01:55 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 213 Joined: 21-January 07 From: Wigan, England Member No.: 1638 |
I don't know the specifics of the PCB, but is it intelligent enough to be preprogrammed for an expected wake up array voltage of X volts (when X is a lower number right now ) - which could be estimated to be 11am - then the master sequence for the day is sleep all day, wake up for the earliest Odyssey pass at which point you both uplink for the next day and downlink for that day, and then enter deep sleep till 19 hours later. Yes, the BCB is like the PRAM in a Mac - a self-contained programmable computer with non-volatile storage. You could change the wake-up voltage, however, it would be easier to use the master clock/timer to wake-up at a certain time instead of using solar array wake-up. |
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Jul 19 2007, 02:01 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 213 Joined: 21-January 07 From: Wigan, England Member No.: 1638 |
Edited to add: Just noticed Doug's comment re the heater. Doh!, I'd forgotten that and it is quite likely that the temperature is high enough around the middle of the day to keep it off so that's a relief. Also with reference to James Canvins comment regarding the wakeup current - I thought that wake up current was 2.0 amps which would keep it asleep until quite late in the day. I don't know what the panel output voltage range is but assuming it is only 10v then it would only just rise above 2A at the moment. You're both correct! Normally, the solar array wake-up current is 2 amps for 10 minutes. However, when waking from Deep Sleep, it is set to 0.2 amps. |
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Jul 19 2007, 02:37 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 213 Joined: 21-January 07 From: Wigan, England Member No.: 1638 |
Ah, I'm glad sombody knows this. I've only ever been able to find reference that all *loads* are removed from the battery. As clearly something of the solar array power gets to the BCB* (as it is this power that tells the BCB to reconnect the battery in the morning) I was never sure if the battery could be charged while in deep sleep. You're thinking of the BCB during normal operation. Just to clarify: the BCB is also off during Deep Sleep (only the master clock/timer are running), hence no recharging can take place - a circuit that measures the reference cells tells the BCB to power-up - this is where the 0.2 amps solar array wake-up value comes from. |
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Jul 19 2007, 06:01 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1887 Joined: 20-November 04 From: Iowa Member No.: 110 |
Latest update for Spirit: tau at 4.0
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Jul 19 2007, 06:14 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2920 Joined: 14-February 06 From: Very close to the Pyrénées Mountains (France) Member No.: 682 |
To add a little bit more to our stress : is there one of the two rovers in restricted sols at this time ?
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Jul 19 2007, 10:22 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 258 Joined: 22-December 06 Member No.: 1503 |
I was searching for more information about the current status of the rovers, but found this video instead--Unfinished Business. Please excuse the distraction at the beginning before the video starts.
http://www.space.com/php/video/player.php?...60707Rovers_end I certainly hope this global storm does not signify the end. At least, I'm not willing to give up hope, even if communications stop. It's possible communications could still be reestablished again when the dust settles. |
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Jul 19 2007, 01:27 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 4279 Joined: 19-April 05 From: .br at .es Member No.: 253 |
To add a little bit more to our stress : is there one of the two rovers in restricted sols at this time ? Spirit is on restricted sols, but given the current situation it's not a big deal: plan for solX = plan for solX+1 = plan for solX+2 = tau measurement. James Welcome back, James. |
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Jul 19 2007, 02:45 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4246 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
I'm doing some research to write about the storm and just thought I'd share some now-comical quotes from one of A. J. S. Rayl's rover updates from January 31 this year, regarding tau values measured by Spirit: Remember that that was spring, and this is mid-summer, so we need less power to survive now, since temperatures are higher. Also the panels are much cleaner now! At the time that article was written we were only recently reawakened from our winter sleep, when we had barely enough power to survive, and so no doubt a tau of 2 would have been fatal!
... How naive we were...I'm thinking of you, Opportunity, hunkered down under storm-darkened skies... |
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Jul 19 2007, 03:23 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 4279 Joined: 19-April 05 From: .br at .es Member No.: 253 |
Latest update on the tau values by Mark Lemmon for Opportunity is 4.6-4.8 for sol 1238.
We are back below 5.0. Uff! |
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Jul 19 2007, 03:32 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2920 Joined: 14-February 06 From: Very close to the Pyrénées Mountains (France) Member No.: 682 |
Spirit is on restricted sols, but given the current situation it's not a big deal: plan for solX = plan for solX+1 = plan for solX+2 = tau measurement. I was thinking about communications. If we communicate directly, that's no big deal as you says but if we use Odyssey we'll have news only every second day. -------------------- |
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