The Storm, Dust storm of 2007 |
The Storm, Dust storm of 2007 |
Aug 20 2007, 09:23 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3648 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
My guess is they show dirt.
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Aug 21 2007, 12:36 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1887 Joined: 20-November 04 From: Iowa Member No.: 110 |
Do these navcam shots show dirty lenses, or clouds overhead? The lighting changes from shot to shot but a lot of the texture is immobile between images, so presumably it's dust on the optics? e.g.: http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...W0P1585L0M1.JPG I think they are clouds. Images taken during the local dust storm that cleaned Spirit's panels back on sol 420 looked similar: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...8P1584L0M1.HTML |
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Aug 21 2007, 04:38 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2228 Joined: 1-December 04 From: Marble Falls, Texas, USA Member No.: 116 |
I had been watching the Themis site for updates of their 9 micron atmospheric opacity maps, hoping to see signs of the dust storm's end. When I tried to compare their
It is probably not fair to strictly compare MER tau measurements to the 9 micron Themis maps, but we probably will not see prettier Themis maps with less red until tau drops below 1. [attachment=11498:attachment] -------------------- ...Tom
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Aug 21 2007, 07:27 AM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14432 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
I'd say dirt. Given that these sky images get a particularly heavy ammount of abuse when stretched to become the JPG's we see, I doubt that a calibrated image would show even 1% of the diversity of brightness that these JPG's show.
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Aug 21 2007, 10:36 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 213 Joined: 21-January 07 From: Wigan, England Member No.: 1638 |
Looks like Oppy has been moving
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...W0P1159R0M1.JPG Check out the thick dust coating. Thank goodness the MI has a dust cover... -------------------- "I got a call from NASA Headquarters wanting a color picture of Venus. I said, “What color would you like it?” - Laurance R. Doyle, former JPL image processing guy
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Aug 21 2007, 01:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 4279 Joined: 19-April 05 From: .br at .es Member No.: 253 |
... and it looks like he/she/it will be moving again on sol 1271 for the first time since sol 1232!
That's how I read the imaging plan for tosol. |
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Aug 21 2007, 02:18 PM
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... and it looks like he/she/it will be moving What have we done, it used to be so simple!!! -------------------- Turn the middle side topwise....TOPWISE!!
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Aug 21 2007, 02:42 PM
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When I tried to compare their optical depth scale to the tau values we commonly refer to, I realized that the Themis instrument apparently pegs out at approximately a tau of 0.9. Rocker, where did you find out how to convert the themis opacity to a tau value? Is that from their sentence "The scale bar's values run from nearly clear (0.05) to roughly a one-third reduction in sunlight (0.40)"? A one third reduction in direct sun gives tau = 1.1, although they say "roughly". As you say, who knows how well 9 microns relates to visible, where Oppy get's most of her power.Also, I don't get your plot - as I understand it tau = optical depth. What are your dots? Edit: I see, your horizontal axis is the fraction of direct sun that makes it to the ground. Technically that shouldn't be called optical depth. |
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Aug 21 2007, 02:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4247 Joined: 17-January 05 Member No.: 152 |
The individual sol tau's have been removed from Lemmon's site, and replaced with an updated plot with Oppy, Spirit, and Viking.
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Aug 22 2007, 12:07 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 866 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Santa Cruz, CA Member No.: 196 |
...http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...W0P1159R0M1.JPG Check out the thick dust coating. Thank goodness the MI has a dust cover... Gods, what a monster downpour! not to mention the panels! ...thought early on in the storm they might move Oppy close to the edge to take advantage of any turbulence that could be had by the terrain interface, but it looks like we're remaining at the back of the porch pretty much out of the wind (if there were any). but someone has probably already commented on that (yes, ive been out for a while). anyone know what the wattage is looking like now? |
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Aug 22 2007, 12:22 AM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Wow...look at the tire tracks! What goes up certainly must come down...but not here!
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Aug 22 2007, 03:31 AM
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Aug 22 2007, 04:07 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2228 Joined: 1-December 04 From: Marble Falls, Texas, USA Member No.: 116 |
... Technically that shouldn't be called optical depth. You're right, fredk. I've corrected that in my post. I wanted to try to compare tau to the 9 micron opacity, but when I read an article to learn how to calculate tau from the ratio of sunlight intensities, I guess I got my terminology confused. Now that I look back on it, I think the Themis site's description ("roughly a one-third reduction in sunlight (0.40)") is good. At tau = 0.40, e^-t = .67. -------------------- ...Tom
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Aug 22 2007, 05:27 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3419 Joined: 9-February 04 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Member No.: 15 |
Just remember, from the best HiRISE images we have of them, neither of the Viking landers was significantly dust-covered prior to this storm.
And they've been through 31 years of Martian weather. I think the rovers will be relatively clean again. Whether that happens in time for the batteries to remain fully operational, I can't say... -the other Doug -------------------- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.” -Mark Twain
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Aug 22 2007, 06:02 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 477 Joined: 2-March 05 Member No.: 180 |
They should get some nice panoramic pictures. It must look like freshly fallen snow there, albeit a thin layer of it.
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