Odyssey mission status |
Odyssey mission status |
Apr 8 2007, 11:27 AM
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http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey/newsroom/.../20070327a.html
Engineers for NASA's Mars Odyssey mission are examining data from the orbiter to determine whether onboard backup systems never used by the 6-year-old spacecraft could still be available if needed. Odyssey reported last week that a power processing component of the backup, or "B-side," systems had stopped working. The component, the high-efficiency power supply, has a twin that is continuing to serve the "A-side" hardware, which is operating normally. Odyssey has stayed on its A-side systems, including the A-side flight computer, since launch on April 7, 2001. However, the A-side power supply cannot serve most systems on the B-side, including the backup B-side computer. If engineers do not determine a way to restore the B-side power supply, most of the backup hardware would not be available, if it were ever needed. Odyssey is in its second extended mission. The orbiter is conducting scientific observations and also serving as the primary communications relay for NASA's Mars rovers. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, manages the Mars Odyssey Project for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the prime contractor for the project and built the spacecraft. I hope Odyssey is not one failure away from another MGS-type loss because of this. |
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Apr 8 2007, 02:43 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Sounds kind of ominous, all right. Surprised that such a critical component apparently doesn't have a fail-safe operational mode, or a separate backup unit; not enough internal redundancy? Come to that, why weren't the two power systems designed to allow crossfeeding?
I'm sure there are good answers to these questions just as sure as I am that I don't know anything about Odyssey's design.. ..and "Monday-morning quarterbacking" isn't the intent here. Very interested in the design attributes employed for fail-operational situations on spacecraft, though. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Apr 8 2007, 04:08 PM
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So this sounds like kind of good bad news - bad news that's not really too awfully bad. As I understand it, the primary systems are still just peachy, but the backups are getting flaky.
Hopefully they do figure this out though. Those folks at NASA and JPL seem to work remote miracles on their hardware. It's a testament of good engineering when a malfunctioning robot is still capable of not only keeping itself going (generally), but also transmitting diagnostics information back home. True they can't account for everything, otherwise MGS might still be going, but they can apparently deal with quite a bit. Spirit pulled through a pretty nasty problem early on. And heck, now Spirit's pulling a nasty problem along with for a ride - its right front wheel. |
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Sep 18 2007, 02:06 PM
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Sep 18 2007, 08:04 PM
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Odyssey Returning to Service After Taking Precaution
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/features.cfm?feature=1473 The spacecraft is expected to point its instruments and UHF relay antenna toward Mars today (Tuesday), to resume relaying communications from the Mars rovers on Wednesday. |
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Sep 19 2007, 10:06 AM
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> ... to resume relaying communications from the Mars rovers on Wednesday.
Today is Wednesday. The next UHF relay session is with Spirit at 12:06 UTC and the data should be downlinked at 15:55 UTC hitting the exploratorium web at 16:35. Cross your fingers. |
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Mar 11 2009, 10:08 AM
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Senior Member Group: Admin Posts: 3108 Joined: 21-December 05 From: Canberra, Australia Member No.: 615 |
We just take Odyssey for granted.But it has issues at the moment.
Unexpected temperature rise in the star camera has delayed a system reboot. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/odyssey/...y-20090310.html Related story on the reason for the reboot. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/odyssey/...y-20090304.html |
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Mar 12 2009, 12:58 AM
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Looks like the procedure went well and redundancy has been restored:
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2009-046 |
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Apr 7 2009, 10:23 PM
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Kinda funny that after two years of worrying about the bad power supply the solution was to turn it off and back on again.
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Apr 10 2009, 04:51 AM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
It's the "back on again" part that's worth two years of study before turning off something that's a couple of hundred million kms away, though. Well done, Odyssey team!
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Jan 13 2010, 09:42 PM
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I am trying to locate the exact date in late 2003 when Odyssey's orbit was frozen to 5 PM equator crossing. Can anybody help?
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Jan 15 2010, 05:50 PM
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Interplanetary Dumpster Diver Group: Admin Posts: 4404 Joined: 17-February 04 From: Powell, TN Member No.: 33 |
I don't think that is correct. I believe it was February 19, 2002.
QUOTE The Mapping Phase began once the 400 km science orbit with approximately 5 PM equator crossing was achieved, at 19-Feb-2002 17:14:32 UTC. This time marked the beginning of orbit number 816. The intensive science portion lasted 917 days, with at least one of the three science instruments operating at all times throughout that period. -------------------- |
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Jan 15 2010, 06:24 PM
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From Saunders, "2001 Mars Odyssey Mission Summary" (Space Science Reviews, 110, 2004, 1-36;
QUOTE During the first 670 days of the mapping phase, the LMST drifts at a constant rate from its initial value of 3:54 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. At that time a maneuver using 8 m/s of delta-V will lock LMST to 5 p.m. see also this image from the same paper: |
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Jul 22 2010, 05:50 AM
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According to marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov, Odyssey went into safe mode on july 14. The reason - an encoder controlling a gimbal that moves the solar array didn't perform correctly. A redundant encoder was switched in and the gimbal itself performed well. Full opps should resume this week. YAAAY!!
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Jun 22 2012, 04:07 PM
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Odyssey is back online after switching to a spare reaction wheel. Hang in there! http://news.yahoo.com/mars-odyssey-spacecr...-155336794.html |
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Aug 8 2012, 08:17 PM
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Hello all,
New member, first post. I have a few questions about Odyssey, and I'm hoping some of the well-informed members here will have answers! 1) What mission extension is Odyssey on? As far as I can tell, it had a fourth extension from 2010 to 2012. It should be on the fifth extension now, I suppose? Does anyone know if it is; and if so, until when does it run? 2) What's the current fuel supply? About when is it expected to run out? 3) Is fuel likely to be the limiting factor for Odyssey's lifespan? 4) What's the current status of Odyssey's various instruments? I know that MARIE (Mars Radiation Environment) has been dead since 2003, and another instrument has been inoperative. Is THEMIS the only instrument now operating? 5) I know that Odyssey is acting as a relay for MSL, of course. But I'm not up to speed on the details -- like, how often; how important is Odyssey's contribution; is it UHF only; how much can Odyssey buffer; things like that. (I am not asking anyone to sit down and write all that out! A link would be fine, if there's a page or paper somewhere explaining it.) Many thanks in advance, Doug M. |
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Aug 9 2012, 12:27 AM
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Doug M., welcome to the forum.
Those are interesting questions, but did you do any google searches of your own before you posted your wish list? Googling "mars odyssey fourth mission extension," I found a mission timeline maintained by dmuller indicating that the third mission extension ended in September 2010. Refining the search to add the term "2010," I found a Universe Today article by Ken Kremer (mars loon) that answers most of your questions. It would be a good idea to read the Rule and Guidelines for umsf.com. |
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Aug 9 2012, 07:25 AM
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Doug M., welcome to the forum. Thanks! It's good to be here. QUOTE Those are interesting questions, but did you do any google searches of your own before you posted your wish list? Yes, I did. A brief one, I admit, but I did. I found the Universe Today article -- it's a reference on Odyssey's wikipedia page. QUOTE Googling "mars odyssey fourth mission extension," I found a mission timeline maintained by dmuller indicating that the third mission extension ended in September 2010. Refining the search to add the term "2010," I found a Universe Today article by Ken Kremer (mars loon) that answers most of your questions. The Muller timeline is not terribly helpful -- it's a brief listing of past events, and it gives a "predicted fuel exhaustion" of 2015, which is not consistent with other sources. The Universe Today article is much better. However, it's two years old, and doesn't really answer my questions. For instance, it states that “More than 95 percent of the data from Spirit and Opportunity and approximately 79 percent of the data from Phoenix was relayed by Odyssey.” That's interesting, but it doesn't tell us anything about Odyssey's relationship with Curiosity. With regard to the fuel issue, the article says that “21.6 kg of propellant remains with an average consumption rate of about 1.4 kg per year... [however,] there are other elements of the spacecraft that might suggest that Odyssey’s life expectancy could be closer to six years. Lifetime issues are extremely difficult to estimate." That's some solid information, which is great. However, it doesn't tell us what the status is now, two years later. Has the fuel consumption stayed constant? Did the flywheel episode cost any fuel? Odyssey had to perform an unprecedented roll maneuver to gain signal from Curiosity; did that increase fuel consumption? Looking forward will the demands of communicating with two rovers require regular attitude changes; and if so, can this be done by flywheel, or will Odyssey have to burn more fuel? It's entirely possible that this information is out there, and I'm just not googling hard enough! But to answer your question, yes I have made at least a basic online search; I wouldn't bring these questions here if I hadn't at least tried to find the answers first myself. many thanks, Doug |
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Aug 9 2012, 04:47 PM
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With regard to the fuel issue, the article says that “21.6 kg of propellant remains with an average consumption rate of about 1.4 kg per year... [however,] there are other elements of the spacecraft that might suggest that Odyssey’s life expectancy could be closer to six years. Lifetime issues are extremely difficult to estimate." That's some solid information, which is great. However, it doesn't tell us what the status is now, two years later. Has the fuel consumption stayed constant? Did the flywheel episode cost any fuel? I read those lines with the same sort of thoughts as you-- they're pretty prescient. Perhaps they had something in mind like the reaction wheels when they said fuel might not be the limiting factor. And if Odyssey is like Mars Express, the safe mode certainly costs fuel. Also, I was surprised with some googling how difficult it is to locate more mundane mission status reports for Odyssey, mostly because most of the search results are mirrors of the bigger NASA press releases. But they also might not really exist. Because it does sound like only THEMIS is working, perhaps meaning status reports would be rather useless without an anomaly. And the issue with the anomaly reports is that they're rather terse because they offer little rope for someone to hang them with. |
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Aug 9 2012, 06:09 PM
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The reason such things aren't online is because a mission in its kajillionth extension has almost no budget left; they're running on a shoestring, with probably the majority of their funding focused on keeping it around for communications with landers. I'm surprised they're still doing image of the day releases. The best way to get answers to these questions would be to send a polite, brief and to the point email to the NASA public information officer whose name and email address appears on Odyssey press releases, and tell them you plan to post any answers here. It's that person's job to get questions answered that aren't already answered online.
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Aug 9 2012, 07:45 PM
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Doug,
QUOTE The Universe Today article is much better. However, it's two years old, and doesn't really answer my questions. It does address some. For instance, since the fourth mission extension runs through September 2012, it's pretty clear that we're not yet "on the fifth extension now." I agree that it's a little surprising and frustrating that what would seem to be a simple housekeeping question about the mission status isn't readily available. The absence of a formal press release announcing approval of a fifth extension may be due to the shoestring issue mentioned by Emily upthread; it may also be due to the fact NASA's fiscal year 2013 budget currently appears to be pending before Congress. OTOH, there doesn't seem to any reason to think that Odyssey is going to be shut down on October 1. If you're really interested in the budgetary and bureaucratic minutiae documenting the hand-off from the fourth extension to the fifth extension, it would be etiquette to show that you've dug into the budget and planning materials available from the NASA portal before asking for help. Also, note that one of the forum's strongest policies is ixnay on oliticspay. A June 2012 press release indicates that gamma ray spectrometer is still functioning, although it doesn't discuss whether both of the instruments in the grs suite described as functioning in the Universe Today article are still OK. QUOTE The Universe Today article ... doesn't tell us anything about Odyssey's relationship with Curiosity. Right. The MSL landing press kit, which is featured in the MSL FAQs and USEFUL DOCUMENTS thread in |
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Aug 10 2012, 10:09 AM
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Emily, that's a great idea. Checking the press releases, I see that there are indeed a couple of names given, with accompanying e-mail addresses.
However -- these guys are probably a little distracted just now. I would expect that any NASA PIO with a connection to Mars has a pretty full plate right now. So I may wait a bit, until the first wave of excitement over MSL has calmed down a bit. Doug M. |
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Aug 10 2012, 10:34 AM
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I agree that it's a little surprising and frustrating that what would seem to be a simple housekeeping question about the mission status isn't readily available. The absence of a formal press release announcing approval of a fifth extension may be due to the shoestring issue mentioned by Emily upthread; it may also be due to the fact NASA's fiscal year 2013 budget currently appears to be pending before Congress. OTOH, there doesn't seem to any reason to think that Odyssey is going to be shut down on October 1. If you're really interested in the budgetary and bureaucratic minutiae documenting the hand-off from the fourth extension to the fifth extension, it would be etiquette to show that you've dug into the budget and planning materials available from the NASA portal before asking for help. Also, note that one of the forum's strongest policies is ixnay on oliticspay. I've read the forum guidelines, so I'm aware of the ban on politics. And it strikes me as a very good idea, having seen plenty of interesting discussions get threadjacked in other forums. I actually did several searches, using terms like "Odyssey extension", "Odyssey fifth extension", "Mars Odyssey 2012 budget", and the like. This has turned up some interesting stuff, like the MEPAG assessment of the next decade of NASA's Mars architecture, but no details on Odyssey. I realize that as a new poster, I have no track record here. Possibly making my first post a string of questions was a mistake! If so, my bad. But going forward, it seems like it would be a bit tedious to preface every question with a description of failed search efforts. Would a simple statement that "I've tried looking for this, but have been unable to find it" suffice? QUOTE The MSL landing press kit, which is featured in the MSL FAQs and USEFUL DOCUMENTS thread in The MSL press kit is indeed a great resource, and one of which I was unaware. Thank you! The detailed discussion you mention: I assume this is the Descanso article. Clicking through to that, I find on page iii that it's #14 of a series of articles... and that article #6 in the series was"Odyssey Telecommunications" byAndre Makovsky, Andrea Barbieri, and Ramona Tung! Ah ha. And sure enough, here it is. It's a 2002 article that of course does not mention Curiosity -- but it's darn interesting reading anyhow. (And it shows that NASA was anticipating multiple Mars surface missions well over a decade ago, and designed Odyssey's comm capabilities accordingly.) Thanks again for your helpful response, Doug M. |
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Sep 7 2012, 06:36 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Measuring fuel levels on spacecraft is a problem common to all. New topic to talk about it here.
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Nov 17 2012, 03:13 PM
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I read those lines with the same sort of thoughts as you-- they're pretty prescient. Perhaps they had something in mind like the reaction wheels when they said fuel might not be the limiting factor. ....and sure enough, the 11/12/2012 status report at http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey/ says they've just swapped to the B-side electronics string. I note the release says 'side swap was initiated last week in response to months of diagnostic data indicating that the A side's inertial measurement unit shows signs of wearing out. This gyroscope-containing mechanism senses changes in the spacecraft's orientation'... so it's the gyros rather than wheels this time. There's a long history of (mechanical) gyros being the life-limiting element, especially on astronomy missions. But I thought current Mars spacecraft used IMUs with ring laser gyros (or maybe FOGs). Unless this is a sloppy release Odyssey must have been the last Mars mission to use mechanical gyros, or can RLGs/FOGs actually 'wear out' ? |
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Nov 17 2012, 04:49 PM
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There's a long history of (mechanical) gyros being the life-limiting element, especially on astronomy missions. But I thought current Mars spacecraft used IMUs with ring laser gyros (or maybe FOGs). Unless this is a sloppy release Odyssey must have been the last Mars mission to use mechanical gyros, or can RLGs/FOGs actually 'wear out' ? Brief googling suggests that it's mechanical gyroscopes. Definitely doesn't seem to be a ring laser. Mars Odyssey was designed an built in the late 1990s, so that would make sense. Mars Odyssey has been in space for eleven and a half years now, and orbiting Mars for over a decade. It's currently the third oldest continually active science mission, exceeded only by the two Voyagers. So, not really a surprise that various systems are starting to show signs of age. Hopefully it will last long enough for the next orbiter (MAVEN, fingers crossed) to come along. Doug M. |
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Nov 17 2012, 05:32 PM
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It's currently the third oldest continually active science mission, exceeded only by the two Voyagers. I'm not sure by what measure you're making that claim...but of all the following launched earlier and are still working and doing great science. Cassini, Acrimsat, ACE, Cluster, SOHO, WIND, Geotail, Terra, Landsat 7, Chandra, Hubble, XMM-Newton, TRMM |
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Nov 18 2012, 04:37 AM
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Brief googling suggests that it's mechanical gyroscopes. Definitely doesn't seem to be a ring laser. Mars Odyssey was designed an built in the late 1990s, so that would make sense. Did you find anything definitive ? Ariane launchers were using RLGs in the early 1990s, if not before AFAIK, so it isnt a given that just because it was designed in the 1990s it had to use mechanical gyros... QUOTE Mars Odyssey has been in space for eleven and a half years now, and orbiting Mars for over a decade....... So, not really a surprise that various systems are starting to show signs of age. I believe the MERs used Litton LN-200 IMU's, which have fiber optic gyros. But the datasheet for those says MTBF of >20,000 hrs, which means failures after a decade are certainly not ruled out (though that could just be a lower limit from lot testing, rather than actual experience showing that failures occur after a mean period of 21,000hrs...) |
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Nov 18 2012, 05:27 AM
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I'm not sure by what measure you're making that claim...but of all the following launched earlier and are still working and doing great science. Cassini, Acrimsat, ACE, Cluster, SOHO, WIND, Geotail, Terra, Landsat 7, Chandra, Hubble, XMM-Newton, TRMM Sorry, my bad. I meant outside Earth orbit! That would knock out all the above except Cassini and SOHO. Cassini wasn't doing active science for most of its cruise period, so it would lose on the "continually active". That leaves SOHO, which I eliminated because of the mission interruption. However, doublechecking, I find that the mission interruption was in 1998-1999, not in 2001-2 as I'd thought for some reason. So, fair enough -- SOHO is third, Odyssey is first. (And I had no idea TRRM was that old. Huh.) Doug M. |
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Nov 18 2012, 07:19 AM
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Odyssey uses ring laser gyros. From http://research.nianet.org/~rtolson/docume..._MRO_AB_JSR.pdf
QUOTE Although the IMUs used on MRO were the same as ODY (QA-2000 accelerometers and GG1320 Ring Laser Gyros)... Ring laser gyro lifetime limits are typically due to gas impurity buildups in the RLG cavity. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Nov 20 2012, 05:01 AM
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Odyssey uses ring laser gyros. From http://research.nianet.org/~rtolson/docume..._MRO_AB_JSR.pdf Ah silly me. I made the mistake of looking in Tolson's paper on Odyssey to find out about Odyssey's IMU.... of course, the info is in a paper on MRO..... QUOTE Ring laser gyro lifetime limits are typically due to gas impurity buildups in the RLG cavity. Interesting ! Thanks |
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Mar 13 2013, 01:45 PM
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Noted in passing: the 11th anniversary of Odyssey's active mission passed a few weeks ago in February, and the 12th (!) anniversary of its launch is a couple of weeks from now, on April 7.
We don't know how much longer it can last, but it's certainly had a good run. Doug M. |
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Mar 10 2014, 10:38 AM
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And that makes a round dozen years' active mission for Odyssey.
Mars Odyssey doesn't get as much love as MRO. But it's been providing a steady flow of science, and the current orbital shift should provide another wave of new insights. In an e-mail discussion a few weeks ago, the Odyssey team said they thought they had several years worth of propellant left. So here's hoping it'll still be working for years yet to come. Doug M. |
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Mar 10 2015, 09:34 PM
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And that makes thirteen years of active mission for Mars Odyssey.
When Odyssey arrived at Mars in 2002, there was only one other active mission: Mars Global Surveyor, which had been orbiting the red planet since 1997. The successful but short-lived Pathfinder mission had landed in 1997, successfully disembarking the Sojourner rover. And that was it for the entire decade before Odyssey. In fact, other than a short-lived Russian mission in the 1980s, that was it all the way back to the Viking landers in the 1970s. You had Viking, 20 years of nothing much, MGS and Pathfinder in 1997, and then nothing for another five years. Since Odyssey's arrival, of course, we've had Spirit, Opportunity, Phoenix, Mars Express, MRO, Curiosity, MOM/Mangalyaan and Maven. That's a lander, three rovers, and four orbiters, along with flybys from Dawn and Rosetta. Odyssey doesn't mark the beginning of modern Mars exploration, quite -- that honor belongs to MGS and Pathfinder. But Odyssey's arrival marks the inflection point where exploration really began to take off. Odyssey has been the senior mission at Mars since MGS went silent back in 2007. Despite various nicks and dings, it's still in remarkably good condition, and is still producing good science. Doug M. |
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Mar 10 2015, 10:36 PM
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20 years of nothing much... I think that despite its failure you might at least mention Mars Observer. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Mar 11 2015, 12:14 AM
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Especially as its instrument suite became the backbone of MGS, MCO and MODY.
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Mar 11 2015, 07:06 AM
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I think that despite its failure you might at least mention Mars Observer. If we mentioned failed Mars missions... how many have there been, anyway? The 1980s Soviet missions, Observer, Mars Climate, Nozomi, Beagle, Phobos-Grunt... Djellison, I have the impression that Odyssey was part of a "family" that included MGS and Mars Climate, with MRO representing the next generation beyond. Would that be a fair statement? Doug M. |
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Mar 11 2015, 02:38 PM
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I have the impression that Odyssey was part of a "family" that included MGS and Mars Climate, with MRO representing the next generation beyond. MGS was primarily built with Mars Observer spares mounted on a new composite structure and propulsion and power systems. Odyssey is mostly identical to MCO. MRO is a larger evolution of the same basic design. All of these spacecraft were designed and built by the same group at Lockheed-Martin. As always, history is more complicated than can be easily captured in a short post. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Mar 11 2015, 05:45 PM
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Djellison, I have the impression that Odyssey was part of a "family" that included MGS and Mars Climate, with MRO representing the next generation beyond. Would that be a fair statement? No - not entirely - MGS was more Mars Observer than MODY. MODY and MCO were very similar builds a generation 'newer' than MGS. MRO is a next gen design beyond that ( although heavily derived from MODY - and Juno / MAVEN borrow on that design quite heavily ) .....and the last 2 of the instruments 'lost' with Mars Observer didn't get to really do their job until MRO as their first re-flights on MCO were a loss as well ( MARCI and PMIRR/MCS ) |
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Mar 11 2015, 06:00 PM
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...and the last 2 of the instruments 'lost' with Mars Observer didn't get to really do their job until MRO as their first re-flights on MCO were a loss as well ( MARCI and PMIRR/MCS ) Not quite, MARCI was a new design for MCO but its first successful mission was on MRO (although THEMIS VIS on Ody is basically a repackaged MARCI with a MARDI frame buffer.) -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Mar 11 2015, 07:41 PM
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So:
Mars Observer (1992, lost) -> Mars Global Surveyor (1996-2006) built with Mars Observer spares on a new chassis Mars Climate Orbiter (1998, lost) -> Mars Odyssey (2001-present) Mars Reconaissance Orbiter (2005-present) -- new generation with some similarities to MODY, elements of its design incorporated into MAVEN and JUNO. But MODY's instrument package looks rather different. Mcaplinger, you note that Odyssey's THEMIS was basically a repackaged MARCI -- I did not know that! Is it relevant that THEMIS is looking at different wavelengths? -- but the rest of its package, MARIE and the gamma ray spectrometer, appear unique to MODY. Doug M. |
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Mar 11 2015, 08:05 PM
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Mcaplinger, you note that Odyssey's THEMIS was basically a repackaged MARCI -- I did not know that! Is it relevant that THEMIS is looking at different wavelengths? -- but the rest of its package, MARIE and the gamma ray spectrometer, appear unique to MODY. I didn't say that, I said that the THEMIS Visible Subsystem was a repackaged MARCI. There are lots of good references on this; see http://www.msss.com/all_projects/mars-odyssey-themis.php or http://themis.asu.edu/ or read Christensen et al, The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) for the Mars 2001 Odyssey Mission, Space Science Reviews, 110, 85-130, 2004. The GRS is a rebuild of the same instrument on Mars Observer. Boynton et al, Science applications of the Mars Observer gamma ray spectrometer, Journal of Geophysical Research (ISSN 0148-0227), vol. 97, no. E5, May 25, 1992, p. 7681-7698. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Mar 11 2015, 10:47 PM
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Given the number of missions, both orbital and landed, there can be an interesting combo of newly evolved spacecraft using proven instruments, followed by proven spacecraft using newly evolved instruments. I think it's more budge management than risk management that makes it seem that way.
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Mar 12 2015, 03:25 AM
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Mars Observer (1992, lost) -> Mars Global Surveyor (1996-2006) built with Mars Observer spares on a new chassis Mars Climate Orbiter (1998, lost) -> Mars Odyssey (2001-present) In this context you might want to include Mars Polar Lander (1999, lost) -> Mars Phoenix Lander (2008) -------------------- If Occam had heard my theory, things would be very different now.
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Mar 12 2015, 05:03 AM
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I think Doug M's original post was purely on successful missions, in which case there was indeed a nearly two decade map in the exploration timeline. Might want to work Deep Space 2 in there somehow, as well.
To get back on topic, any bets on what might finally end Odyssey's... odyssey? Reaction wheels, propellant depletion, electronics, etc? |
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Mar 12 2015, 05:07 AM
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Mar 12 2015, 06:00 AM
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MGS was lost to operator error. Hopefully that lesson's been learned, but it's always a possibility.
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Apr 5 2016, 07:19 AM
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And this week marks the 15th anniversary of the launch of Mars Odyssey (7 April 2001). Odyssey arrived at Mars orbit on 24 October 2001 and began science operations in February 2002.
On one hand, that's pretty amazing. On the other hand, in terms of currently active spacecraft operating beyond Earth's orbit, I think Odyssey just barely makes the top five (after Cassini, SOHO, and of course the Voyagers). Anyway, congratulations to the Odyssey team. Doug M. |
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Apr 7 2016, 12:04 AM
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ODY is still my favorite program to have worked. It was a wonderful recovery from the failed MSP98 missions and also the only time (of the 13 missions I have worked on that have gone beyond Earth orbit) that I was able to see something I worked on launch. It was a wonderfully clear day and the launch was spectacular. There will be a gathering tomorrow to remember that day. Hard to believe it has been 15 years, how fast time flies.
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Jul 19 2016, 01:57 PM
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Odyssey's longevity is really inspiring. That said, there are now five orbiters and two rovers at Mars -- and of that fleet, three of the orbiters and one of the rovers have now been there for a decade or longer!
Doug M. |
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Aug 2 2016, 01:25 PM
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Just ran across an interesting recent paper on Martian surface sulfates, which appears to be based largely on GRS data from Odyssey:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/201...u-ddi072516.php Doug M. |
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Dec 5 2016, 07:05 AM
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ODY's 15th anniversary of entering Mars orbit passed unnoticed last month. Next milestone: in February 2017, the 15th anniversary of the beginning of its science mission.
Doug M. |
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Nov 25 2018, 02:14 PM
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ODY's 15th anniversary of entering Mars orbit passed unnoticed last month. Next milestone: in February 2017, the 15th anniversary of the beginning of its science mission. 17 years since arrival at Mars. What space probes are still active that are older than MODY? The two Voyagers, of course. In Earth orbit, or at an Earth Lagrange point, we have Hubble (1990), Geotail (1992), Wind (1994), SOHO (1995), ACE (1997), Chandra (1999), Landsat 7 (1999), Terra (1999), XMM-Newton (1999) and Cluster II (2000). However, I'm pretty sure that MODY is now the third oldest active human spacecraft outside Earth orbit. Doug M. |
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Nov 25 2018, 08:03 PM
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There have been so many missions who depended on ODY for their relay! We often give it for granted but the way this mission has been managed even in spite of the ever decreasing budget is quite remarkable.
Paolo -------------------- Disclaimer: all opinions, ideas and information included here are my own,and should not be intended to represent opinion or policy of my employer.
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Nov 25 2018, 08:42 PM
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There have been so many missions who depended on ODY for their relay! We often give it for granted but the way this mission has been managed even in spite of the ever decreasing budget is quite remarkable. Paolo Are you talking ODY's budget, cause I thought the over all NASA's budget had increased this year. http://www.planetary.org/blogs/casey-dreie...18-omnibus.html |
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Nov 26 2018, 12:03 AM
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Yes, I meant ODY budget.
Paolo -------------------- Disclaimer: all opinions, ideas and information included here are my own,and should not be intended to represent opinion or policy of my employer.
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Oct 23 2019, 10:10 AM
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This week marks the 18th anniversary of MODY's insertion into Mars orbit.
MODY is the third longest-lived active spacecraft beyond Earth orbit, after the two Voyagers. It's lost an instrument and a flywheel, but is still functional and still doing science. Doug M. |
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Oct 23 2019, 10:33 PM
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i saw this atrophied thread finally get an update and clicked in expecting the worst... but instead its yet another seemingly unbeatable milestone (unbeatable? just wait!)
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Dec 26 2021, 05:49 PM
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It's 20 years, two months and two days since MODY arrived in Mars orbit. The 20th anniversary of science operations will come in February of 2022.
MODY had a near death experience last year, when the Trump Administration's proposed budget for NASA eliminated it, leaving only a token sum for decommissioning. But the mission survived, and looks good to continue into its third decade. In addition to the ongoing science mission, MODY is also serving as a relay for both of NASA's Mars rovers. It's incredibly impressive how robust this mission has been. Doug M. |
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Dec 26 2021, 08:47 PM
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The recent NASA Planetary Science Advisory Committee had an update on the rovers (see attached screenshots). All are doing well and the most of the fleet has the resources to remain functional through at least this decade.
ODY has about 10 years fuel remaining. MRO 19 years (likely something else will fail before that?). No firm data for MAVEN, but I believe that the bus is largely a copy of MRO, so I presume it carried substantial fuel reserves to Mars. Slide says fuel usage planned to allow operations through 2030. Mars Express, though, has extremely low fuel reserves. -------------------- |
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Mars Express, though, has extremely low fuel reserves. Low propellant level is not the largest immediate danger for Mars Express, it's a bureaucratic one, Mars Express is still slated for termination at the end of 2022, the decision for an extension into 2023-2025 - awaited early next year - "is NOT granted". [Edit] Regarding the propellant issue: "The fuel is still a (literal) unknown quantity since, in the worst case, it should have run out in 2016. But Mars Express keeps on ticking, and Godfrey, using Venus Express as a model, reckoned that there was a chance that what is left (possibly 5.6kg) might last until 2035." (The Register, 2 Jun 2021) |
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Aug 7 2023, 08:14 PM
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What space probes are still active that are older than MODY? The two Voyagers, of course. In Earth orbit, or at an Earth Lagrange point, we have Hubble (1990), Geotail (1992), Wind (1994), SOHO (1995), ACE (1997), Chandra (1999), Landsat 7 (1999), Terra (1999), XMM-Newton (1999) and Cluster II (2000). However, I'm pretty sure that MODY is now the third oldest active human spacecraft outside Earth orbit. Five (!) years later... Geotail -- gone. It was decommissioned in November 2022, after its data recorder stopped working. Wind is still going strong and should be good for years to come. SOHO is still going. ACE is still going though it may be running out of propellant soon. Chandra, still going. Landsat 7 -- gone. It was decommissioned in 2021. Terra ate a budget cut but is still going. Decommission is expected no later than 2026. XMM-Newton, still going and fully funded through the end of FY 2026. Cluster II, still going and funded through the end of FY 2024. Along with the two Voyagers, these seven spacecraft are the Elders, the active survivors of the previous century. Are there any others from 2000 or before still operational? |
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Some may think Soujouner’s circling Carl Sagan’ mother ship
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