Rev 152 - Aug 12-Sep 3, 2011 - Hyperion |
Rev 152 - Aug 12-Sep 3, 2011 - Hyperion |
Aug 15 2011, 08:52 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1729 Joined: 3-August 06 From: 43° 35' 53" N 1° 26' 35" E Member No.: 1004 |
rev 152 is now up
mostly routine obs, plus one non-targeted encounter of Hyperion |
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Aug 15 2011, 08:28 PM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
A non-targeted Hyperion encounter this rev & next. Good! We haven't had any good looks at H. in some time!
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Aug 15 2011, 09:35 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 655 Joined: 22-January 06 Member No.: 655 |
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Aug 15 2011, 10:07 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 890 Joined: 18-November 08 Member No.: 4489 |
it would be nice to be able to update my map of Hyperion , and add fixes
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Aug 15 2011, 10:59 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 28-August 07 From: San Francisco Member No.: 3511 |
...should be an absorbing encounter
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Aug 16 2011, 12:17 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 655 Joined: 22-January 06 Member No.: 655 |
it would be nice to be able to update my map of Hyperion , and add fixes I'm not certain, but I believe due to the chaotic rotation, it's not possible yet to predict accurately at which areas the cameras are pointing during Hyperion encounters - the sequence planners don't know exactly which part of the moon will be visible during the flyby. Good thing is there'll almost certainly be some improved resolution for parts of the moon during the upcoming encounter. |
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Aug 16 2011, 12:17 AM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
After all, the encounter is merely sponging off of a fortuitous alignment of the moons...
-------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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Aug 16 2011, 12:50 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 754 Joined: 9-February 07 Member No.: 1700 |
Good foam on that post, nprev
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Aug 16 2011, 01:07 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 890 Joined: 18-November 08 Member No.: 4489 |
jasedm true
i ended up using the existing shape model and manually making it fit as to weather north is up ?? who knows . That though is something that needs fixing (north is to the right ) |
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Aug 26 2011, 01:55 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 241 Joined: 16-May 06 From: Geneva, Switzerland Member No.: 773 |
Nice pictures of Hyperion are now online:
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/imag...9/N00174835.jpg http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/imag...9/N00174838.jpg http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/imag...9/N00174852.jpg http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/imag...9/N00174868.jpg ... A long time we did not get such great pictures of the Chaotic Sponge Moon ! Best regards, Marc. |
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Aug 26 2011, 02:45 PM
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Senior Member Group: Admin Posts: 4763 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Glendale, AZ Member No.: 197 |
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Aug 26 2011, 02:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3233 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
Considering that Dawn is at Vesta with its big crater, I am glad that the Bond-Lassell crater was in view this time around. Great views of the central mound of that crater.
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Aug 26 2011, 03:04 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 910 Joined: 4-September 06 From: Boston Member No.: 1102 |
Wow! about 4 pages of images--And about every possible filter at low phase angle from multiple distances.
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Aug 26 2011, 05:16 PM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
Hyperion crescent. Unfortunate that the "nose" got cut off in the NACs. I substituted a bit from a distant WAC but it doesn't hold up well to close scrutiny.
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Aug 26 2011, 07:43 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 241 Joined: 16-May 06 From: Geneva, Switzerland Member No.: 773 |
Great crescent mosaic , Emily !
I'm happy that Hyperion comes back in light ! I especially like this picture: http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/imag...9/N00174904.jpg From this point of view, Hyperion seems indeed to have a much more regular Vesta-like shape, which is not the case with any other pictures of this strange object. Is the smaller basin at the top Helios ? Marc. |
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Aug 26 2011, 08:51 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10172 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
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Aug 26 2011, 09:02 PM
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Aug 26 2011, 09:31 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 241 Joined: 16-May 06 From: Geneva, Switzerland Member No.: 773 |
Thanks Phil. I like so much studying the maps of Solar System planets and moons. I could stay hours in front of a map. I think it's time to get an improved map of Hyperion. And I'm looking forward to learn all the future names of surface features. I just hope they will be easier to remember than those on Rhea !
Nice composite Sean. What a fascinating world ! |
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Aug 27 2011, 01:44 AM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 2785 Joined: 10-November 06 From: Pasadena, CA Member No.: 1345 |
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Aug 27 2011, 03:40 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1276 Joined: 25-November 04 Member No.: 114 |
Im not convinced thats a crater.
To me it looks like it feel in on itself. |
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Aug 27 2011, 03:41 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3648 Joined: 1-October 05 From: Croatia Member No.: 523 |
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Aug 29 2011, 12:07 AM
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Aug 31 2011, 08:37 AM
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Lord Of The Uranian Rings Group: Members Posts: 798 Joined: 18-July 05 From: Plymouth, UK Member No.: 437 |
Hi everyone,
I know I'm a little late to the party, but here's my attempt to animate the Hyperion flyby, resulting from judicious usage of some tweening and deshaking filters: http://youtu.be/ARyY7BJhzhs?hd=1 The colour is false, but still pretty effective, nonetheless. -------------------- |
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Aug 31 2011, 10:57 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 910 Joined: 4-September 06 From: Boston Member No.: 1102 |
Thanks Ian--Great animation.
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Aug 31 2011, 01:24 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 2785 Joined: 10-November 06 From: Pasadena, CA Member No.: 1345 |
WOW! Beautiful work!
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Sep 1 2011, 09:44 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 796 Joined: 27-February 08 From: Heart of Europe Member No.: 4057 |
"The colour is false, but still pretty effective, nonetheless."
Nice animation and color looks very natural. -------------------- |
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Sep 3 2011, 06:42 PM
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Sep 3 2011, 06:56 PM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10172 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
To me, a classic impact crater with a central peak. Why would a collapse be so circular and have a central peak?
http://planetimages.blogspot.com/2005/09/v...s-hyperion.html Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
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Sep 3 2011, 08:37 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 655 Joined: 22-January 06 Member No.: 655 |
I'm no planetary geologist (as I'm sure you'll shortly discover ) and I defer to your much greater experience on this Phil, it just appears to me to be very different to most impact craters, I'll try to explain why:
1) The dark lag deposits in the smaller craters appear evenly distributed both inside and outside the depression, and the surface appears visually very similar in age interior and exterior (similar crater sizes, and distribution). 2) The scarps are relatively bright, and fresher-looking than anywhere else on Hyperion 3) Some of the craters actually on or adjacent to the depression scarp look as if they've 'stretched' following slumping 4) The scarp is non-concentric, and in places non-existent 5) The rim is very subdued As to the central mound, I have a wacky theory that I won't embarrass myself by airing just at the minute..... On balance, Occam's razor no doubt applies here. Jase |
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Sep 3 2011, 08:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3516 Joined: 4-November 05 From: North Wales Member No.: 542 |
Maybe there is a middle way. I can imagine that an impact into a very porous object might produce a crater, with characterisic features such as a central peak, that would nevertheless be more than usually sunken in. This might happen if the impact shattered an open structure and collapsed all the voids within. Don't ask me to 'produce' such a porous object. I don't know how to do it. But Hyperion is so peculiar that I'm prepared to entertain strange ideas.
Another thought about central peaks. I've always assumed they were produced by outward blasted material 'sloshing' inward after an impact, but I'm not sure this works in low g environments like Hyperion (and Vesta S). |
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Sep 3 2011, 08:48 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 3516 Joined: 4-November 05 From: North Wales Member No.: 542 |
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Sep 3 2011, 10:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 2785 Joined: 10-November 06 From: Pasadena, CA Member No.: 1345 |
Hypervelocity Impacts in a Bingham Solid (think viscous gel rather than solid foam) can set up neat dome patterns in the crater interior depending on the energies involved. (Can also set up bonus waves outside).
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1...001656.000.html Check out entry 8505 in figure 4 in the text. Maybe whatever Hyperion's target material is (modelling hints that it is volatile rich ice) it can act as a Bingham solid when impacted. -------------------- Some higher resolution images available at my photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/31678681@N07/
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