Hayabusa Post-Landing & Science Results |
Hayabusa Post-Landing & Science Results |
Jun 17 2010, 02:41 AM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
The capsule began its return to Japan a few moments ago as I write this. Seems like a good time to start a new topic for the much-anticipated final results of this epic mission.
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Jul 7 2010, 03:21 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 25-February 08 From: Greece, Komotini Member No.: 4055 |
I saw that photo of the sample container and I can`t understand something... They said they found, at first, only 2 minute dust particles, but this photo shows many much larger dust grains(?). Are they really dust grains or something else? Please explain me, because I`m a little confused...
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Jul 7 2010, 04:32 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 12-May 05 Member No.: 387 |
Nothing like suspense IN SPACE! Do these grains are really from Itokawa? Or Itokawa is made of Australia? Inquiring mind want to know!
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Jul 7 2010, 09:51 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 60 Joined: 1-August 06 From: Vienna, Austria Member No.: 1002 |
Other newspapers are starting to carry similar stories about the large number of grains newly found inside the inner tube. I do hope this is correct! The sample return canister consists of two compartments, one for each landing attempt, with the compartments being sealed from each other by a cylindrical sleeve valve. I think the recently released picture shows the top outer surface of the canister sitting embedded in the return capsule, the visible particles being the 10 or so large particles they found on the outside of the canister. What I am hoping is that the two 0.01mm grains were found in the first of the two compartments (the one open on the first/aborted landing attempt) and that the large number of newly found grains comes from the second compartment (which would be the one open during) the 30 min landing. If the newly found grains come from the first compartment...I dare to think what they’ll find in the second one!! I’m now growing more optimistic....lets hope for the best. |
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Jul 7 2010, 11:36 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: 19-March 05 From: Princeton, NJ, USA Member No.: 212 |
The finding of dust inside is very exciting and a hopeful sign. But we'll have to await detailed scientific analysis to determine their origin. A great achievement whatever the outcome.
for anyone interested; here are my articles posted at Spaceref on the dust finding and landing http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1412 http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1402 ken homepage |
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Jul 8 2010, 12:02 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 817 Joined: 17-April 10 From: Kamakura, Japan Member No.: 5323 |
According to today's Asahi Shimbun newspaper (8 July) the spatula in question is made of fluorine resin.
Pandaneko |
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Jul 8 2010, 05:21 AM
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The Poet Dude Group: Moderator Posts: 5551 Joined: 15-March 04 From: Kendal, Cumbria, UK Member No.: 60 |
Pandanenko,
Just wanted to say thanks for the excellent job you're doing, keeping all of us here updated with Hayabusa's rather confusing developments. You're doing a cracking job. We probably wouldn't have anything much to go on if it wasn't for you, so thanks. -------------------- |
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Jul 8 2010, 05:57 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 28-August 07 From: San Francisco Member No.: 3511 |
Pandaneko has provided a wonderfully gripping tale of anxiety and hope...
thank you so much... -------------------- 'She drove until the wheels fell off...'
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Jul 8 2010, 07:18 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 754 Joined: 9-February 07 Member No.: 1700 |
thanks for everything you're doing to help, Panda Cat!
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Jul 8 2010, 07:19 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 12-December 05 From: Petrozavodsk, Russia Member No.: 607 |
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Jul 8 2010, 08:46 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 817 Joined: 17-April 10 From: Kamakura, Japan Member No.: 5323 |
I am feeling duty bound to share the exitement, really, because JAXA web pages tend to be so slow in updates. I am well aware that there are people out there who want to have minute to minute information.
I will be replying to Andrey (?) from Russia separately with direct links to Japanese newspapers carried in English. I had never thought about them. Other people from now on can refer to them and I will no longer need to translate. They will be the Japan Times, the Asahi Evening News, and a few others, I think. Anyway, there is a bit more news that I found tofday (8 July). I do not remember where from. It was picked up my Google setup. JAXA found yet more than 100 of 10 micron size grains inside the chamber A, which was kept open for the second landing. At least a few of them are being sent out to NASA right now, and one each to other academic institutions. All other major Japanese newspapers today carried similar stories about these newly found 100 or so grains. From what they say I am inclined to think at least some people within JAXA now think that some of them did come from Itokawa. Pandaneko |
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Jul 8 2010, 09:33 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 817 Joined: 17-April 10 From: Kamakura, Japan Member No.: 5323 |
What I am hoping is that the two 0.01mm grains were found in the first of the two compartments (the one open on the first/aborted landing attempt) and that the large number of newly found grains comes from the second compartment (which would be the one open during) the 30 min landing. I’m now growing more optimistic....lets hope for the best. Apparently, it is not true. 0.01 mm grains were found in the second chamber. Those larger ones were not found in the chamber at all, but outside them. Pandaneko |
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Jul 8 2010, 09:40 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 817 Joined: 17-April 10 From: Kamakura, Japan Member No.: 5323 |
I saw that photo of the sample container and I can`t understand something... They said they found, at first, only 2 minute dust particles, but this photo shows many much larger dust grains(?). Are they really dust grains or something else? Please explain me, because I`m a little confused... I agree with you entirely. There is something I have been having a nagging thought about. If I remember rightly JAXA said that there no grains larger than 1 mm in size from their X-ray initial analysis. That was the first news I came across in the Asahi Shimbun newspaper. My nagging thoughts are; 1. Those on the phot seems mauch larger than 1 mm. 2. The Asahi yesterday (7 July) did talk about the 10 or so particles found outside the chambers of being a few mm in size. I, of course, thought that it was a simple mistake when I saw the article, but I am no longer sure... Pandaneko |
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Jul 8 2010, 10:17 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 817 Joined: 17-April 10 From: Kamakura, Japan Member No.: 5323 |
Dear Pandaneko I'll very appreciate direct urls to quoted newspapers here thanks, Andrey Dear Andrey Here below you find URLs for Japanese newspapers carried in English. Best. https://club.japantimes.co.jp/pm/ad/jt/index_e.html (This above is no good as you need to pay) http://www.asahi.com/english/ http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/ http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/freetop.aspx http://mdn.mainichi.jp/ Pandaneko |
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Jul 8 2010, 11:01 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 817 Joined: 17-April 10 From: Kamakura, Japan Member No.: 5323 |
Here below is the URL to what one newspaper reporter said in his blog about the press conference of 5 July, I think.
It is too long for translation, but it does carry much clearer photos towards the end. Put in a nutshell, what they are saying at this press conference is that they are being very cautious, without prejidice... For your information; 1. The bolt size you see on the picture is M3. 2. Microscope maginification is 100. Pandaneko |
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Jul 8 2010, 12:05 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 817 Joined: 17-April 10 From: Kamakura, Japan Member No.: 5323 |
Here below is the URL to what one newspaper reporter said in his blog about the press conference of 5 July, I think. Apologies Here it is. http://blog.goo.ne.jp/pepani/e/a2b32aec75d...b8212d3520cf990 Pandaneko |
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