Juno Science Results |
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May 25 2017, 06:19 PM
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Director of Galilean Photography Group: Members Posts: 896 Joined: 15-July 04 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 93 |
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/junoteleconference
Many surprises! Jupiter not uniform below clouds! Giant ammonia plume comes up from equator! Core diffuse, possibly dissolving! Magnetic field up close has surprised! Congrats on the amateur images everyone! -------------------- Space Enthusiast Richard Hendricks
-- "The engineers, as usual, made a tremendous fuss. Again as usual, they did the job in half the time they had dismissed as being absolutely impossible." --Rescue Party, Arthur C Clarke Mother Nature is the final inspector of all quality. |
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May 25 2017, 10:59 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2346 Joined: 7-December 12 Member No.: 6780 |
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May 26 2017, 06:21 AM
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Director of Galilean Photography Group: Members Posts: 896 Joined: 15-July 04 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 93 |
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6340
Science magazine also has a couple of articles on Juno results. -------------------- Space Enthusiast Richard Hendricks
-- "The engineers, as usual, made a tremendous fuss. Again as usual, they did the job in half the time they had dismissed as being absolutely impossible." --Rescue Party, Arthur C Clarke Mother Nature is the final inspector of all quality. |
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May 26 2017, 04:21 PM
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Junior Member Group: Members Posts: 59 Joined: 4-July 08 Member No.: 4251 |
Full news conference with slides:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o9FiTf1vZE Time markers: 01:15 Diane Brown intro 02:43 Scott Bolton, orbit overview, three methods to peer into interior 09:20 microwave results (down to 350 km below clouds) 16:00 gravity field discussion 17:00 Jack Connerney with magnetic field results 20:00 aurorae 22:30 particle impact detections 24:10 Heidi Becker with view looking OUT past rings at Orion, no radiation hits to image sensor 27:45 Candy Hansen with JunoCam 34:45 back to Scott Bolton for audible radio results and next orbit plans |
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May 27 2017, 06:36 AM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
ADMIN NOTE: Edited topic title to make this an omnibus thread for Juno findings (pressers, papers, etc.)
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May 27 2017, 11:31 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2530 Joined: 20-April 05 Member No.: 321 |
I was curious about the estimated mass of heavy elements in Jupiter, which is possibly the single most fundamental statistic that Juno can derive. At this admittedly very early point in Juno's mission, the paper by Wahl, et al estimated 7-25 Earth masses. Keep in mind that Militzer, et al (2008) estimated the same at 14-18 Earth masses, which is better constrained. Hopefully, the remaining (>90%) of Juno's orbits will nail this down much better. (I wonder if the earlier result actually had a greater uncertainty… some research admits to some fundamental unknowns and derive results that are presuming some quantities that aren't actually known.)
What Jupiter's structure is like tells us about the evolution and dynamics of large planets, but the bulk composition tells us the really fundamental thing – what kinds of protoplanetary clouds make what kinds of planetary systems in general. |
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Oct 16 2017, 03:36 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1887 Joined: 20-November 04 From: Iowa Member No.: 110 |
Michael Wong @Miquai
Until today, I have never had a class that audibly FREAKED OUT at something a professor showed. What a time to be alive. 3:07 PM - 29 Sep 2017 from Pasadena, CA https://twitter.com/Miquai/status/913887910637715458 In reference to a Juno result that was under embargo, perhaps it will revealed at the DPS meeting this week. |
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Oct 19 2017, 03:05 AM
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Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 5172 Joined: 4-August 05 From: Pasadena, CA, USA, Earth Member No.: 454 |
Sadly, no Juno press briefing this week. I'm told AGU should be good.
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Jan 11 2018, 04:42 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 444 Joined: 1-July 05 From: New York City Member No.: 424 |
Is there any likelihood that a video of Scott Bolton's AAS231 plenary session lecture on results from the Juno mission will be publicly released?
I read something on the AAS website to the effect that videotapes of ordinary meeting sessions are posted on the AAS members' site as a "member benefit," but I was hoping that the video of this lecture wouldn't be restricted to members. |
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Jan 11 2018, 04:35 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2530 Joined: 20-April 05 Member No.: 321 |
Some people have posted on Twitter photos of and comments about Bolton's Jan. 9 lecture. Some of the Twitter quotes are ambiguous or cryptic, but there are some definite and stunning new discoveries.
• Cyclones circling Jupiter's north pole form an octagon, whereas the south pole shows a pentagon. • Jupiter's magnetic field twice as strong as expected. • More lightning than expected. • Odd-numbered harmonics in gravitational field expected to be zero, but aren't. • Impossible for one or two entry probes to provide the big picture. (Implications for future Saturn, etc. missions.) • Aurorae somehow switch off at night. • Great Red Spot has roots that reach much more deeply (>350 km) into atmosphere than zones and belts do. • All heavy elements enriched (over solar) by same amount, except water is depleted. (Galileo Probe result?) Overall: "Everything" we thought we knew about Jupiter's interior before Juno was wrong. I note from IR images that most polar cyclones have swirling hot/cold centers, but three at south pole cold only. As mentioned in previous releases: • Larger, fuzzy core instead of small, compact one or none. • River of gases rich in ammonia flowing from depths up to surface near equator. Profoundly spectacular video showing a dive through the Great Red Spot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lsKC1NVaqw A long approach video shows Galileans orbiting "half" Jupiter for (several?) weeks. My sense is that this talk seems to have contained more significant discoveries concerning one world than we've seen in a long time except maybe Pluto; that's rather stunning when one considers that this is the sixth mission dedicated to Jupiter, and moreover, that the mission isn't half over. |
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Feb 27 2018, 06:51 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 13-November 14 Member No.: 7308 |
Wow some very nice image processing on this forum.
I hope someone assembles a best-of and puts them into a single thread someday. How close to those cloud tops do you think humanity will ever mange to reach ? Via unmanned satellite of course. |
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Feb 27 2018, 07:55 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2086 Joined: 13-February 10 From: Ontario Member No.: 5221 |
Well we had the Galileo probe, which went right through the cloud tops (and below!) in 1995. Do you mean the lowest possible orbit?
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Feb 27 2018, 08:54 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 13-November 14 Member No.: 7308 |
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Feb 28 2018, 04:16 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2530 Joined: 20-April 05 Member No.: 321 |
The Galileo Probe had no camera. There's no guarantee that a view from inside the clouds would be interesting, or – even if beautiful – scientifically rewarding, and it would have been a very expensive instrument needing a lot of bandwidth during a very short time window.
The Galileo Orbiter returned some very nice images of Jupiter's clouds, but Juno is producing a more stunning gallery, thanks to people on this board and others. There were no programmatic scientific investigations for JunoCam, but it seems increasingly likely that there'll be scientific value had from them sooner or later. |
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Feb 28 2018, 06:44 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2517 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
The Galileo Probe had no camera... it would have been a very expensive instrument needing a lot of bandwidth during a very short time window. There was actually a proposal for a low-cost camera that fit within the data allocation for the Galileo probe, but it wasn't selected. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Feb 28 2018, 06:48 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1729 Joined: 3-August 06 From: 43° 35' 53" N 1° 26' 35" E Member No.: 1004 |
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Feb 28 2018, 04:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2086 Joined: 13-February 10 From: Ontario Member No.: 5221 |
It seems that for the foreseeable future, the only views from any of the gas giant atmospheres will remain those gorgeous artist's concepts (Don Dixon, Adolf Schaller, etc.)
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Mar 7 2018, 07:07 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2346 Joined: 7-December 12 Member No.: 6780 |
Today, four Nature papers about new findings by the Juno mission have been released online, but only the abstracts are free:
Clusters of cyclones encircling Jupiter’s poles A suppression of differential rotation in Jupiter’s deep interior Jupiter’s atmospheric jet streams extend thousands of kilometres deep Measurement of Jupiter’s asymmetric gravity field This allows to discuss the circumpolar cyclones on the missionjuno Think Tank site. |
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Mar 7 2018, 07:59 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2346 Joined: 7-December 12 Member No.: 6780 |
Additionally, John Rogers has released a version of the CPC observations on the BAA website, together with several animations we compiled over a little more than a year.
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Dec 13 2018, 04:26 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 133 Joined: 29-January 05 Member No.: 161 |
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Dec 16 2018, 10:57 PM
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IMG to PNG GOD Group: Moderator Posts: 2251 Joined: 19-February 04 From: Near fire and ice Member No.: 38 |
A very interesting video. I was particularly impressed by the SRU images; Jupiter's nightside in Ioshine!
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Dec 30 2018, 10:42 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1641 Joined: 5-March 05 From: Boulder, CO Member No.: 184 |
I wonder when models will be able to simulate the patterns and the colors of the clouds. In the (pre-Juno) paper below, figure 5 shows the patterns, though doesn't include the microphysics/chemistry to show things like cloud opacity and colors.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/25...ian_atmospheres (see figure 5a). -------------------- Steve [ my home page and planetary maps page ]
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Jan 15 2021, 04:53 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2530 Joined: 20-April 05 Member No.: 321 |
I've done some recent reading on Juno findings and moreover, tried to illustrate for myself how Juno science has fit into earlier understanding.
One simple kind of framing that is eternally hard to grasp with Jupiter is just how big the planet is and how limited in scope our studies from the top looking down are. Simply put, the Galileo Probe's descent (while instruments were operating) penetrated only 1/450th of the way to Jupiter's center. Juno has revealed that the part of the upper atmosphere that has winds is 3000 km deep – about 20 times the depth of the Galileo Probe's descent, and about 1/25th of the whole planet. There has been some beautiful work regarding Juno's observed anisotropy of ammonia in the upper atmosphere. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/shallow-li...juno-scientists In retrospect, it seems obvious: When a minority atmospheric component undergoes phase transitions, that allows for mechanisms that can segregate the compound considerably from one place to another (e.g., with water on Earth). It's also been wonderful that Juno and the end of the Cassini mission provided an almost simultaneous comparison of Jupiter and Saturn and the simple synthesis is that of the three layers in each planet – let's call the upper atmosphere with winds (A), a dense "mantle" of liquid metallic hydrogen (, and whatever core exists, apparently fuzzy in its boundaries ( C ) – Jupiter has a relatively small extent of A and C and is mainly B; Saturn, in contrast, has a much more even division of A, B, and C. We're still waiting to get an answer on the single question that most motivated Juno – how much core is there? However, the discovery of a fuzzy mantle seems to speak to the formation of Jupiter. This seemingly precludes any origin in which a gigantic rocky-metal core formed first and then the hydrogen-helium atmosphere was pulled from the protoplanetary nebula onto it. When they announced that an orbiter would be the choice of followup mission for addressing what the Galileo Probe failed to measure, I was skeptical but in retrospect, this was overwhelmingly the right choice. An entry probe could not possibly examine horizontal variations in Jupiter's structure and even with remarkable improvements in depth of penetration could not have probed as deeply as Juno has. I'm sure there's a lot more Juno science to come. This has really been a wonderful mission even aside from the breathtaking imagery which was never the inspiration for the mission in the first place. Studying the interior of Jupiter is a huge challenge and kudos to the people who conceived of this mission and made it real. Edit: Here's a nice recent synthesis of work on the deep interior. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1901.05697.pdf |
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Oct 26 2021, 09:46 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 411 Joined: 18-September 17 Member No.: 8250 |
From @NASASolarSystem tweet:
Join experts from our #JunoMission as they reveal new findings that provide a more comprehensive understanding of Jupiter's roiling atmosphere. Thursday, Oct. 28 3 p.m. EDT (1900 GMT) Watch here or at http://nasa.gov/live |
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Nov 30 2021, 04:20 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1089 Joined: 19-February 05 From: Close to Meudon Observatory in France Member No.: 172 |
New results from Juno were published in the last 19 November issue of Science :
- "The depth of Jupiter’s Great Red Spot constrained by Juno gravity overflights"; - "Microwave observations reveal the deep extent and structure of Jupiter’s atmospheric vortices". (weblink : https://www.science.org/toc/science/374/6570 ) And look at the truly spectacular image published on the cover : any idea when it was taken ? Have you seen it before ? |
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Dec 1 2021, 01:07 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 444 Joined: 1-July 05 From: New York City Member No.: 424 |
The image processing is credited to Kevin Gill. He's a member here, and you could send him a PM, although he's not very active.
Or you could post the question on his twitter feed. https://twitter.com/kevinmgill |
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Dec 1 2021, 04:42 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1089 Joined: 19-February 05 From: Close to Meudon Observatory in France Member No.: 172 |
The image processing is credited to Kevin Gill. He's a member here, and you could send him a PM, although he's not very active. Or you could post the question on his twitter feed. https://twitter.com/kevinmgill Thanks a lot Tom |
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Dec 1 2021, 05:36 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 2517 Joined: 13-September 05 Member No.: 497 |
The image processing is credited to Kevin Gill. He's a member here, and you could send him a PM, although he's not very active. He's probably too busy processing Junocam images, when he's not working his day job at JPL on MSL ops. I always get a kick out of seeing his name on MSL project emails when he is on-shift. -------------------- Disclaimer: This post is based on public information only. Any opinions are my own.
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Dec 1 2021, 09:16 PM
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Founder Group: Chairman Posts: 14432 Joined: 8-February 04 Member No.: 1 |
Yeah - he's an awesome part of the OPGS and ECAM teams. I was so pleased when his name came up as someone who could join our little ECAM team - I jumped at the chance
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Dec 19 2021, 06:48 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 133 Joined: 29-January 05 Member No.: 161 |
#AGU21 Science Press briefing 17 December 2021
Latest results about the gas giant’s Great Blue Spot, polar cyclones, magnetosphere, rings, interior and Imagery contributions of the mission’s citizen scientists. -------------------- |
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Feb 12 2022, 12:12 AM
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Solar System Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 10172 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Canada Member No.: 227 |
This session at LPSC:
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2022/...ram.htm#sess305 has some good things from Juno at Jupiter (and a few Pluto goodies). JIRAM infrared results for Io volcanoes Ganymede aurora observations Geology from Juno images topographic mapping from Juno stereo - including a large dome. There was some discussion earlier about whether Juno images of Ganymede would be scientifically useful, and they certainly were. Phil -------------------- ... because the Solar System ain't gonna map itself.
Also to be found posting similar content on https://mastodon.social/@PhilStooke Maps for download (free PD: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Cartography.pdf NOTE: everything created by me which I post on UMSF is considered to be in the public domain (NOT CC, public domain) |
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Dec 17 2022, 09:22 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 436 Joined: 14-December 15 Member No.: 7860 |
AGU22 Press Conference: The Latest Science Results from NASA’s Juno Mission to Jupiter, December 14, 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbGgwr-Qq-Y |
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Dec 17 2022, 11:15 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 706 Joined: 22-April 05 Member No.: 351 |
AGU22 Press Conference: The Latest Science Results from NASA’s Juno Mission to Jupiter, December 14, 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbGgwr-Qq-Y I sat in on the press conference (but was at the conference for the science portion). Was surprised at how few press members were there. I think that about all of them are in the video (I'm in a back corner and not visible). -------------------- |
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Dec 18 2022, 01:31 AM
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AGU22 Press Conference: The Latest Science Results from NASA’s Juno Mission to Jupiter, December 14, 2022 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbGgwr-Qq-Y Thanks. I didn't know the project is no longer planning an active disposal of Juno into Jupiter, and that funding will continue until Juno fails due to accumulated radiation degradation or it runs out of fuel which is needed to point the high gain antenna at Earth to return data. This discussion was at the end of the press conference starting here https://youtu.be/bbGgwr-Qq-Y?t=2382 |
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Nov 9 2023, 10:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1583 Joined: 14-October 05 From: Vermont Member No.: 530 |
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Nov 9 2023, 11:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 444 Joined: 1-July 05 From: New York City Member No.: 424 |
Thanks. I didn't know the project is no longer planning an active disposal of Juno into Jupiter, and that funding will continue until Juno fails due to accumulated radiation degradation or it runs out of fuel which is needed to point the high gain antenna at Earth to return data. This discussion was at the end of the press conference starting here https://youtu.be/bbGgwr-Qq-Y?t=2382 Thanks Brian, that snippet was interesting. Apparently (and subject to review now in progress), the mission planners are satisfied that, because of the way Juno's orbit has precessed during the extended mission, it is no longer possible for Juno to plunge into Europa. I had understood that chaotic orbital mechanics means that you can "never say never," but I guess the point is that Juno will impact Jupiter at some point, and while it's probably not possible to say when, it is possible to say that it will happen before chaos has a chance to do something really bizarre that would put Europa at risk of an impact with Juno. Also interesting to hear that NASA apparently gave Juno an open-ended financial commitment, which I gather is not usually the done thing. |
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Nov 11 2023, 12:33 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 706 Joined: 22-April 05 Member No.: 351 |
Thanks Brian, that snippet was interesting. Apparently (and subject to review now in progress), the mission planners are satisfied that, because of the way Juno's orbit has precessed during the extended mission, it is no longer possible for Juno to plunge into Europa. At a recent meeting (I forget which one), Bolton said that they could tweak the orbits for additional Io observations. Presumably this uses fuel faster. However, once the Io encounters are over, I wonder if the team will adopt a strategy of fuel conservation to extend observations as long as possible. I'm sure this is utterly unrealistic, but it would be awesome if Juno was still operating when Clipper and JUICE arrive to provide fields and particles observations from a third location within the magnetosphere. The next OPAG meeting is in a couple of weeks I believe, and there will be an update on the Juno meeting. I expect a focus on the upcoming Io encounters but perhaps there will be a slide on longer term plans. -------------------- |
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Nov 13 2023, 05:42 PM
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Senior Member Group: Moderator Posts: 3233 Joined: 11-February 04 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 23 |
New paper about Juno JIRAM science results from my NF Data Analysis program group!
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-023-02123-5 -------------------- &@^^!% Jim! I'm a geologist, not a physicist!
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Nov 14 2023, 01:27 AM
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Merciless Robot Group: Admin Posts: 8784 Joined: 8-December 05 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 602 |
Congratulations on the paper; nicely done!
Interesting. I would have expected Io to be much more homogeneous not far below the surface. Always thought of it as basically a molten ball with a thin crust and a solid core. -------------------- A few will take this knowledge and use this power of a dream realized as a force for change, an impetus for further discovery to make less ancient dreams real.
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